Old Vic toilets

I found a Threadreader Unroll of the thread, it's easier to read (and doesn't have the TRA comments below).
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Thank you!! Ugh, reading it through again makes me feel…. I don’t know. Validated? And angry, of course.

It was a message on X from Diana Alastair, an American police officer:
https://x.com/sappholives83/status/1816266309555884491

I remember that article! It was very eye opening. I don’t suppose you have a link to it, do you? I thought I had kept one, but don’t seem to be able to find it.

Actually, transvestism is a well known sexual fetish for serial killers. Just saying.

I remember an article from a crime investigator that when they did their training, there was a warning that voyeurism, flashing etc by male people towards female people often escalated into sexual violence and worse against female people. And that dressing in feminine clothes whilst doing this was a warning on its own.
Later when this investigator went back for more training, they weren't even allowed to mention all of this behaviour as it might reflect badly on the trans community.

So yes, male people wearing feminine clothes ignoring female people's boundaries is a massive warning light. But one we are now supposed to ignore because you don't know what their reasons are to do this: genuine gender dysphoria or sexual fetish. And female people should just assume it is the former and take the risk.

I think not.

NB Only after Dolatowski committed further offences did the local paper manage to get a photograph of what he really looked like.

Three pics of D in this article: one filtered; two unfiltered.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/4324534/sex-offender-dolatowski-mens-prison/

Yup. Lennon/Katie first struck in supermarket toilets in Dunfermline, where he was caught committing voyeurism against a 12 yr old girl. The second time round - in the toilets of the Kirkcaldy branch of Morrison's - he attempted to rape a 10 yr old.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/courts/819644/mum-of-supermarket-toilet-sex-assault-victim-warns-freed-attacker-could-strike-again/

I am thankful for everyone engaging in this. I never thought I would have an interest in toilet design! I just wanted no one to have the same experience I had and wanted to find out how to safeguard against it. It’s taken me to some interesting and horrifying places on the internet. My history folder is nightmarish. But there were some unexpected laughs (of incredulity) too. Who would have thought medieval toilets in our country were thought to be progressive to the American designers, as our men and women shat and chatted together?

Hi
Sorry , you’re right, I waded in too quickly and failed to read properly . Still getting the hang of this Internet posting stuff. Mustn’t become a keyboard warrior!

If you actually read the thread you will see that my question was genuine and I am not sure why you think it means I am suggesting the interest is wrong.
You will also read that @Keeptoiletssafe then kindly explained her interest, which is indeed an unusual one, in very helpful detail and I thanked her for the enlightening information.

At the Unison Women's conference in Brighton virtually everyone in the venue was a woman (3 transwomen delegates that I saw, out of around 600; the only other men were a handful of security staff who probably had separate staff loos). There were male, female and unisex loos. Even then, as far as I saw, no women used the unisex ones.

@Mittens67 why shouldn’t she?

Well this has been an eye-opening thread! And, @Keeptoiletssafe , you have completely changed my view on the question of cubicle design, so thank you for that.

Obviously, toilet design is governed by physical and financial constraints; often venues can't put in the number of toilets required nor of a type that satisfies everyone's sensibilities

I am a firm believer in single sex spaces and I also believe that men also, in general, are uncomfortable with unisex toilets. They're not scared though if they encounter a woman, in the way that women might well be when finding a man in a quiet shared toilet

Not even in Brighton, eh? Funny that.

Went to the Market theatre in Brighton 2 years ago, went to the loo at the interval, gender neutral toilets had no queue, ladies loo opposite had women queuing down the corridor. Women don't want the share loos with men

Thank you @Keeptoiletssafe . I have also been able to talk in real life about this issue because of your very helpful and informed posts on this board.

That Stryker link with photo is a real eye opener. Stryker is Director of an organisation named TEN:TACLES (Transgender Educational Network: Theory in Action for Creativity, Liberation, Empowerment and Service).

Am I the only one to find that a rather creepy and frankly male name?

People with long-term health conditions can choose whether to take the risk of living alone or mitigate that risk by living with someone else. They don't get to choose what public loo to use when they've gone to the cinema and their back teeth are floating. Public loos impose a set of risks on their users by the nature of being public in a way that private houses don't.

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The good men stay out so that the bad men stand out. That's how a sign helps reduce sexual assault.

Lennon (aka Katie) Dolatowski dressed as a woman to attack a girl child. Men absolutely dress as women to attack women.

Thanks @NoBinturongsHereMate it was reading that thread that prompted me to come over here. No idea if this campaign by the Scot Tories will come to anything but it would be good if knowledgable people got them thinking on the right lines at least.

Thanks @IDareSay . We've just been talking on another thread about safe loos - safe for people with health conditions as well as being single sex - and whether we can get a campaign going.

Bumping this thread to say Scottish Conservatives have started a campaign and I think some of the very knowledgeable people on this thread would have useful things to say to them. We know privacy, dignity and safety are important, but too often safety is interpreted as being free from violence, when in fact we also need safety for people who are disabled, ill, or unwell and may collapse in toilets.

https://x.com/ScotTories/status/1894676696235704771

The website is here if anyone wants to follow the campaign or get involved:

https://www.singlesexspaces.com

Thank you@Keeptoiletssafe for all your information, and @adulthumanfemalemum for starting the thread.

I've saved a link to this thread so I can refer back to it.

Lovelyview · 31/12/2024 11:31

Thanks for giving your feedback. I complained to the Baltic in Newcastle...

It's local for me, I was there just before Christmas, but only for a couple of hours, so didn't notice the toilets. I have a neighbour who works there, our girls were in playgroup together, she's quite senior and very "woke." Lovely lady, but I won't mention certain subjects.

As for the poster who said that you might die alone in your own toilet, well, what a ridiculously trite thing to say, in order to justify making public loos unisex. Don't you understand risk mitigation?

Thankyou @PepeParapluie I live in hope that the government will see sense and add a tweak to Document T. And that schools and venues stop all these nonsense ‘inclusive restrooms’ designs. They are not risk assessed!! They are inclusive only as much as they are inclusively bad for everyone. But they are worse for the most vulnerable.

I haven’t been able to catch up on the whole thread yet but also wanted to add my thanks to @Keeptoiletssafe for the really informative posts. I spoke to someone at a networking thing several months ago who said the answer to ‘the toilet question’ was clearly single cubicles with hand washing facilities within them and that’s what he had decided to do within his organisation. I remembered your posts on this topic from a previous thread and was able to explain the health and safety issue and he said he’d have a rethink. No idea if he did or not, but your really informative posts stuck in my mind and empowered me to share the message.

You’re doing a really important thing (and brilliantly) educating people about the issue, it’s obvious once you’re told, and it’s an easy message to spread. So just wanted to say thank you again!