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Taliban: NGOs employing women will be banned & building should not have windows that women can be seen

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IwantToRetire · 31/12/2024 01:35

In the latest crackdown on women’s rights in Afghanistan, the Taliban have announced they will no longer allow any national or foreign NGOs that employ women to operate in the country. In a letter published on social platform X on Sunday night, the Economy Ministry said NGOs that do not comply with the new rule will lose their licenses to operate.
Full article https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20241230-ngos-employ-afghan-women-face-closure-new-taliban-rule

Afghanistan's Taliban leader has ordered that new residential buildings are constructed without windows looking onto "places usually used by women" and said that existing windows with such views should be blocked to prevent "obscene acts".
Full article https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241229-taliban-leader-bans-windows-overlooking-women-s-areas

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iwishihadaname · 31/12/2024 15:19

You can boycott what ever you want the Taliban won’t care because they think they are correct. Boycotting Afghanistan cricket team will only only create more sadness for people living there as news of the cricket team is one of the few things that give people pleasure

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/12/2024 15:17

LutherVandrossessuit · 31/12/2024 15:13

If the Taliban don't share it with the women and girls, in a generation there will be no Taliban.

Taliban don’t seem to be great forward thinkers given that they keep women trapped indoors and refuse them even basic medical care so they are already greatly reducing their chances of future Taliban.

LutherVandrossessuit · 31/12/2024 15:13

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/12/2024 15:01

I assume that if there is famine in Afghanistan then the women and girls would starve first because I can’t see the majority of men in that country sharing food with women and girls if they view us as subhuman.

It’s a terrible quandary: should the rest of the world help avoid famine in Afghanistan and thus keep women alive with no rights or chance of a worthwhile existence? Or should the rest of the world refuse international aid to Afghanistan and potentially watch women and girls die of starvation on a large scale because the rulers of the country don’t value them?

Having said the above, even if we do send international food aid there’s no guarantee that it is routinely shared with women and girls anyway.

The way the Taliban rule Afghanistan is just diabolical and evil.

If the Taliban don't share it with the women and girls, in a generation there will be no Taliban.

UtopiaPlanitia · 31/12/2024 15:01

I assume that if there is famine in Afghanistan then the women and girls would starve first because I can’t see the majority of men in that country sharing food with women and girls if they view us as subhuman.

It’s a terrible quandary: should the rest of the world help avoid famine in Afghanistan and thus keep women alive with no rights or chance of a worthwhile existence? Or should the rest of the world refuse international aid to Afghanistan and potentially watch women and girls die of starvation on a large scale because the rulers of the country don’t value them?

Having said the above, even if we do send international food aid there’s no guarantee that it is routinely shared with women and girls anyway.

The way the Taliban rule Afghanistan is just diabolical and evil.

Forester1 · 31/12/2024 13:24

I have heard the argument that the reason various organisations continue to work with Taliban as they believe that helping to avoid the country suffering severe famine is more important than women’s rights. Given the path the Taliban keep going on I don’t know if I agree.

Forester1 · 31/12/2024 13:21

Mrsbloggz · 31/12/2024 11:48

Is this what men inevitably turn into when they are given free reign?

No because if that was the case all countries would now be the same as Afghanistan.

ArabellaScott · 31/12/2024 13:12

Mrsbloggz · 31/12/2024 11:48

Is this what men inevitably turn into when they are given free reign?

Where do men not have the upper hand?

So, no, it's not.

mids2019 · 31/12/2024 12:58

I think this is a good argument for universal human rights and we need to question the option that all cultures are equally vaild. If you were isolationist in your foreign view you could say 'well that's Afghan culture what right do we have in the West to dictate their government or laws'. However this viewpoint as seen above is morally very difficult to hold.

Perhaps we can't do much I. Afghanistan but we can look at our home culture.

SuzieNine · 31/12/2024 12:53

MissPollysFitDolly · 31/12/2024 12:47

Afghanistan is hardly a great sporting nation, I doubt sport boycotts would have any effect at all.

The West would need to hit them hard economically and punish countries that continue to trade with them, of course this would lead to widespread suffering but I can't see the Taliban being moved by minor gestures.

Anyway the West/ROW aren't going to do anything. As that BBC link shows, they can't even make the Taliban accept mixed sex international meetings!

The only country that does any substantive trade with them is Iran - hardly a country that the West has any leverage with.

MissPollysFitDolly · 31/12/2024 12:47

JaneAustenFanClub · 31/12/2024 10:28

I am horrified at what is happening in Afghanistan and wish I could do something. I am also furious at Western governments for their lack of action.
I do recognise that some actions might only have minimal impact but I feel strongly that we should try. I just did a quick search for a cricket boycott and found a petition but with only a few signatures.

Afghanistan is hardly a great sporting nation, I doubt sport boycotts would have any effect at all.

The West would need to hit them hard economically and punish countries that continue to trade with them, of course this would lead to widespread suffering but I can't see the Taliban being moved by minor gestures.

Anyway the West/ROW aren't going to do anything. As that BBC link shows, they can't even make the Taliban accept mixed sex international meetings!

caramac04 · 31/12/2024 12:12

Women are literally brood mares to these vile so called men.
Cook, clean, childcare. Don’t be seen. Don’t be heard. Their lives are not worth living but I guess their love for their children and a faint hope of a better future is all they have to keep going.
The taliban are utterly vile and disgusting, narrow minded and too stupid to see that the oppression of women actually downgrades their own life experience.
Whilst they need educating I just want to bash them round their stupid heads and chuck them in a windowless cell while the women rise to their potential. Then they could be allowed out to contribute in a meaningful way to society. If they cant or wont then back into the cell
Sorry for ranting. I could weep at their atrocious behaviour and ignorance.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 31/12/2024 12:02

Also I don’t think we should be agreeing to have meetings like this where we exclude women and don’t talk about women’s rights: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgk02g5ezdo.ampp^

I agree.

Mrsbloggz · 31/12/2024 11:48

Is this what men inevitably turn into when they are given free reign?

JaneAustenFanClub · 31/12/2024 11:16

SuzieNine · 31/12/2024 10:40

What action exactly do you want Western governments to take? Re-invade? There’s no trade to boycott, no carrots to dangle. Their biggest trade partner by far is Iran.

I am certainly not suggesting invading. But I would like us to stand up for women in some way eg cricket boycott as suggested in the article above. Also I don’t think we should be agreeing to have meetings like this where we exclude women and don’t talk about women’s rights: www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crgk02g5ezdo.amp

AlisonDonut · 31/12/2024 11:14

LutherVandrossessuit · 31/12/2024 08:40

I can't fathom why men dream up these barbaric rules and laws - surely these men are sons and fathers? Are they happy to see their mothers and daughters treated like this?
As regards what can we do? I'm not sure - there's a reason Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of empires. For me, bringing change has to start with the Afghanis themselves. I don't think that will happen anytime soon due to geography and clan loyalty. In the meantime life will get worse for women alongside higher infant mortality and poor maternal care.

I believe the men in charge send their daughters abroad for schooling.

Not one western country will stand up to these [redacted] men. They banned women from a UN meeting and the UN said 'sure'.

LutherVandrossessuit · 31/12/2024 10:41

JaneAustenFanClub · 31/12/2024 10:28

I am horrified at what is happening in Afghanistan and wish I could do something. I am also furious at Western governments for their lack of action.
I do recognise that some actions might only have minimal impact but I feel strongly that we should try. I just did a quick search for a cricket boycott and found a petition but with only a few signatures.

I might be really out of step but I don't think the Taliban care about cricket. Is cricket one of the only pleasures Afghanis get? To compete as equals on the world stage? Is cricket one of the only things than unites the people - they are all routing for 'their' team?

SuzieNine · 31/12/2024 10:40

JaneAustenFanClub · 31/12/2024 10:28

I am horrified at what is happening in Afghanistan and wish I could do something. I am also furious at Western governments for their lack of action.
I do recognise that some actions might only have minimal impact but I feel strongly that we should try. I just did a quick search for a cricket boycott and found a petition but with only a few signatures.

What action exactly do you want Western governments to take? Re-invade? There’s no trade to boycott, no carrots to dangle. Their biggest trade partner by far is Iran.

JaneAustenFanClub · 31/12/2024 10:28

I am horrified at what is happening in Afghanistan and wish I could do something. I am also furious at Western governments for their lack of action.
I do recognise that some actions might only have minimal impact but I feel strongly that we should try. I just did a quick search for a cricket boycott and found a petition but with only a few signatures.

LutherVandrossessuit · 31/12/2024 08:40

I can't fathom why men dream up these barbaric rules and laws - surely these men are sons and fathers? Are they happy to see their mothers and daughters treated like this?
As regards what can we do? I'm not sure - there's a reason Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of empires. For me, bringing change has to start with the Afghanis themselves. I don't think that will happen anytime soon due to geography and clan loyalty. In the meantime life will get worse for women alongside higher infant mortality and poor maternal care.

WorthyTraybake · 31/12/2024 08:28

It's truly shameful and horrific. Agree boycotting the Afghan men's cricket team is one of the few things that can be done.
And donating to whatever NGOs are able to operate and support women - although with these new restrictions I don't know how any can work.

hholiday · 31/12/2024 08:16

DeanElderberry · 31/12/2024 07:56

What can we boycott, or encourage the boycotting of? Cricket is the obvious one, and the ICC should be put under pressure, but are there others?

Is there any hope that the Trump government will put pressure on? Biden betrayed west-friendly Afghans, men and women, and the Taliban saw him as weak. Might a change in president bring a change in attitudes?

I absolutely think they should - and Janice Turner wrote an excellent column a few months back on this very subject. https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/time-to-confront-talibans-gender-apartheid-l538dw5n2

When are our governments and sports authorities going to recognise that this is apartheid and mete out the same treatment they did to South Africa in the 80s? I love sport and the rise of the Afganistan men’s cricket team has been one of the highlights of the international game recently. I’m sure their success is one of the few bright spots about living in that country, where there has been so much war and suffering. But I don’t see how England can, in good conscience, continue to play them. I wonder if there’s a way we could put pressure on the ECB?

Time to confront Taliban’s gender apartheid

Playing cricket against Afghanistan’s men while millions of women are brutally oppressed allows the regime to prosper

https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/time-to-confront-talibans-gender-apartheid-l538dw5n2

ArabellaScott · 31/12/2024 07:58

Any sport. But beyond that, I really don't know.

DeanElderberry · 31/12/2024 07:56

What can we boycott, or encourage the boycotting of? Cricket is the obvious one, and the ICC should be put under pressure, but are there others?

Is there any hope that the Trump government will put pressure on? Biden betrayed west-friendly Afghans, men and women, and the Taliban saw him as weak. Might a change in president bring a change in attitudes?

Jolietta · 31/12/2024 06:14

Islamist's fear of females.
The roots of gynophobic misogyny among the Taliban and Islamic state -

media.defense.gov/2022/Jan/06/2002918533/-1/-1/1/JIPA%20-%20ALVI%20-%2022.PDF