Secret signals

I have been eyeing up some rather lovely vintage/antique jewellery on line. Some are listed as having 'suffragette colours'.

@Newhorse Its a recognised work group. You have protected rights within it

Also maybe Wimbledon themed items if suffragette colours alone are too outing

Not wanting to derail the thread, but I looked up the SEEN lanyard and found this:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-service-staff-networks/seen-network

Is this really supporting those with GC views or would wearing a SEEN lanyard be career suicide?

Lots of people like dinosaurs 😀regardless of their views on gender, there are no secret signals.

I make jewellery from various media and even have a few pairs of Suffragette colours earrings on my occasional stall! I have a long beaded necklace in the colours that I wear when I'm feeling feisty. And after reading this thread, I plan to make myself some dinosaur charm earrings with green, white and purple beads!

I'm just remembering the Scottish Parliament beclowning themselves by banning suffragette colours from the Chamber while selling suffragette themed items in their own gift shop

This is mostly a women thing. Unless you’re perhaps a paleontologist I’ve never seen a woman wear something dinosaur themed in over 15 years of corporate life, this doesn’t seem enough of a reason that all the women on this thread should stop their small personal identifying themes. The sufragette colours have been around for quite some time, I doubt anyone has to stop wearing purple green and white if that’s their favorite, but its always been suffragette colours so hasn’t suddenly been made a thing.

I really want the throw but can't justify the price tag to myself! I have the scarf but the wrap is tempting me...

theministryoftartan.co.uk/product/suffragette-tartan-throw/

https://www.letwomenspeak.org/suffragette-knitted-scarf

https://theministryoftartan.co.uk/product-category/suffragette_tartan_range/

I'm glad this thread reminded me that when I took the car for its test I took Tracy the Triceratops off the dashboard and put her in the pocket.

She's back in place now, ready to rebuke me if I take a corner too fast. Some people have St Christopher, I have Tracy.

I have a Dino pin badge. Might get something In suffragette colours too.
What is THE scarf that has been referred to? Does anyone have a link?

If trans people are entitled to identify as any gender they want, then surely women can identify as men?

Sigh. Was talking to DD yesterday having watched a news item on cervical cancer screening, where 'women and people with a cervix' was used and then later just 'people with a cervix' (though the illustration was all female i.e. silhouettes wearing skirts). I said I did not like the 'people with a cervix' tag or that 'women' was not used in the information bit. DD is sort of captured. Said it's polite to use people's preferred name (I agree - people have silly names all the time anyway) and pronouns. I said I was not compelled to do so when speaking of that person and would use their name mostly, anyway. She said as though it was perfectly ok, that I should make sure I was not being recorded and was I happy to offend people? I think she's onboard with men not being in women's sports but does not understand what is meant by compelled speech. She's in her 40s and works for a US company in a high-profile sales role. I think she won't see the problem till she falls over it.
Yasmin Alibhai Brown was on Jeremy Vine that morning, too, saying trans people were entitled to be whatever gender they wanted on any day. She brought up the 'you wouldn't allow this if they said no black person rather than no transwoman' objection. To his credit, Vine said that comparison was nonsense. Irritating woman, who doesn't give a toss about women not in her fairly privileged position.
I don't know how to explain to my DD - I get tangled up.

Even if I lived in the UK, which I don't, I wouldn't want to waste £5 on going over to the dark side.

Perhaps now is the time to stop being scared and all spend a fiver on becoming a man…

if we ALL collectively took this stand…

I live a nomadic life and so rarely see friends in my original country. When you move on every 2-6 months you rarely make new friends. I have made a very few over the years and we keep in touch.

So I crocheted myself a suffragette scarf and I wear it whenever it's cold enough to do so.

I have no job to lose as I'm self employed, so I'm happy to be open about my terfing.

Maybe one day the scarf will initiate a conversation with another terf in the wild, that would be fabulous. In the meantime, I hope it sends a message that we are everywhere to other terfs.

I agree. I’m much more supportive of the suffragettes and Unison, who use these colours, than I am of GC. I also wear a fair amount of purple and green (not together!) because it suits me.

I’m old enough to remember what a disappointment it was when the rainbow became sole property of the LGBT+ and not the ‘promise of a future’.

I agree CompleteGinasaur, it feels like we're going backwards not forwards, it's incredible that GC women are now doing the signals thing we had to do as dykes all those decades ago.

I came to the conclusion years ago that there is no such thing as linear progress, there are cyclical gains and losses, and unfortunately women are in a constant struggle to gain/maintain/regain whatever rights we have achieved over the centuries.

There are a few clichés I could use here - taking our foot off the brake/eye off the ball/the price of freedom is eternal vigilance* - but you get my drift: it's a mistake to think, as I believe happened in the recent past, that that's Women's Rights done and dusted, we can all relax now. Look where that got us
PS I still have the short hair

*not a cliché of course, a quotation from John Philpot Curran, Lord Mayor of Dublin, 1790

I have a lovely wrap in Suffragette Tartan
https://theministryoftartan.co.uk/product-category/suffragette_tartan_range/

"Roared with laughter". Nice touch!

The thing is, I actually find this thread incredibly dispiriting. I know it's absolutely necessary for women in the captured workplace to adopt these guerilla tactics if they want to remain employed and I have every sympathy with those forced to do it. However I can't help remembering being an 18 year old baby dyke in the late 70s, with my short hair, my single earstud and my pinky ring, all desperate flags waving in the forlorn hope that someone who wasn't an intolerant bigot would recognise the smoke signals and point me to the hidden path out of compulsory heterosexuality. (Eventually I gave up on trying this in the small market town of my youth and moved to London, which was a much more effective strategy, but that's a very different story..) That was nearly fifty years ago, and I really thought we'd moved on from the scapegoating, until this vicious ideology rocked up and necessitated all the secret squirrel stuff again - now it's ok for me to be a lesbian, even at work, as long as I'm the right kind of lesbian, apparently. Aaargh!

I have a relative in the civil service and he regularly moans that being silenced on biological reality is one aspect of his job (a job he loves) that really pisses him off. It’s shocking that our own government has this locked down. He’s a bloke and it affects him but I really feel for the women having to work in an organisation that denies their reality on this.

Probably Team TRA, as TRAs think men's rights do not conflict with women's autonomy, whereas GC people recognise the conflict.

TRAs either embrace or ignore the cognitive dissonance. GC people recognise that cognitive dissonance indicates a priblem that needs to be addressed.