Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

there isn't a world AIDS day flag, instead you will see politicians wearing red ribbons.

That was the point i was trying to make - the LGBTQ community has adopted flags (really properly adopted them - there are bloomin millions of them!) which is why, i think, the day is marked with the flag flying. Not because it wouldn't be appropriate for other groups, but because other groups have different symbols.
other days and other causes are marked in different ways.

I would be very surprised if none of the Scottish MPs were wearing red ribbons on 1st Dec?

this is a bit unnecessary isnt it?
my username is a quote from a tv show lol, im not actually sad
are you actually a mixed up weetabix??

Sadmillenial, why are you sad?

Is it because you force yourself to believe a pack of lies?

Yes, that's the key point.

Which other globally designated days @sadmillenial ? When are they, what proof to do you have that those days are specifically highlighted by the Scottish Government or any other public authority in the UK? What flags are flown for them?

I just don't see how this is giving the trans community "special treatment", if anything it's giving exactly the same as other communities who have globally designated days?

Im not sure why you're avoiding the point that all this sombre "remembrance" is being used to construct a false narrative.

I don't think it was unfair. In your previous post you were defending the commemoration of this thing that never happens by comparing, first, Pride Month flags, then... "and there is also usually an official response during other special "days" (black history, holocaust memorial, int day of the child, etc) "

You are clearly equating Trans Day of Remembrance, which remembers no deaths that anyone on this thread can think of (including you?) other than in South American prostitution, with the Holocaust Memorials and others. FFS

I have not seen flags for any world AIDS day set up on government buildings. I could have missed them. Also I included your own words so do not think I have misrepresented what you have said, but please do clarify.

Could you please tell us when the world aids day flag will be flown in Scotland and on which public buildings. Also can you assure us that it's the AIDs flag and not a pride or progress pride flag being flown.
Could you also point out which other communities that have globally designated days have a flag flown from Scottish government buildings, because the only 1s I know of are the lgbtq+ 1s funnily enough.

Having seen your further posts, I can appreciate that you're trying to engage in good faith, which is unusual here for posters sharing your views.

However, you don't seem to be giving a lot of thought to what you're posting, which means your posts essentially come across as 'why can't you all just be kind'. We've seen where be kind gets us, and we've had enough of it.

I'm not trying to play linguistic point scoring with you, but I do want to clarify my point above because you seem to have missed it again: I didn't say that you, specifically, alluded to or described a trans genocide. I said that by commemorating something that doesnt happen, ie trans murder in Scotland, you were lending credence to the trans genocide narrative. A narrative which is being used to dismantle women's rights.

You're right that these discussions are difficult to have, and because of that, nuance is important.

I note that in the face of the evidence, you've changed your position from 'trans people have been murdered in Scotland, you can't say they haven't', to 'it's an international day of remembrance that Scotland should support' - which is a different argument. Kudos for taking the facts on board - when presented with inconvenient facts lots of people try to ignore them!

However. I still find it inappropriate that a public building is using public money to support this day, even though it's an international day, when many more days which are relevant to the local demographic are not supported. It's giving an importance to the day that it does not deserve to be shown by that public body (disclaimer- I'm not saying that any murders are unimportant or deserve to be ignored, we're talking specifically about the context, not the subject itself) and its indirectly supporting the dismantling of women's rights for reasons explained above.

I have just finished reading the excellent book 'The women who wouldn't wheesht' (Christmas present from the husband) and I recommend it as a study of how insular and biased the Scottish political establishment has become. To me, the flying of this flag is symptomatic of that phenomenon.

In a subsequent comment, you also noted that you believe trans people get additional celebration and remembrance days on top of the LGBT ones because:
i think probably because some gay/lesbian/bisexual people don't advocate for the trans community and there is a divide

Maybe consider why some LGB people, like some straight women, don't see it as their business to advocate for a community (nb yes not all individual trans people) that is actively harming them and their cause?

Edit for typo

So much forced teaming going on. Plenty of gay men and lesbians do not recognise a LGBTQ 'community' - for the reason 'community' tends to imply shared values and goals and also tends to imply everyone in that community shares in and re-tells the same narrative or even votes in the same way.
A bit like Barack Obama telling black men that they were not really black if they didn't want to vote For Kamala Harris.

The only thing that LGB people all have in common is their sexual orientation; in the same way the only thing that all women have in common is their biological sex.

He probably doesn't count because his murderer was trans and the TRA won't want to draw attention to it. In fact, have there been more murders BY trans people in the UK than murders OF trans people, I wonder? Is there a flag for that?

There really is no 'global community', though. It, like most of the others, is purely a western construct created to push certain post modernistic narratives around identity and oppression. And it has been exported and foisted upon societies and communities to which it is alien.

'Hijra' in India and 'Ladyboys' in Thailand, for example, represent ways for those societies, in which homosexuality is unacceptable, to create space for gender non-conforming gay men to express themselves, and a way for men to have liasons with other men in a culturally contained way.

Does the poor chap in Brighton who had been transgender but had detransitioned who seems to have been murdered by his MTF partner count as a transgender ‘victim’?
Or does he not count because he had returned to identifying as his natal sex?

Erasure of lesbians is still happening, the LGBTQ+ community shuns and threatens the lesbians who aren't prepared to do dick. Anyone with their head screwed on would say that surely no lesbian does dick, that's what a lesbian is but the so called community calls this transphobic. In this new, enlightened age lesbians are to enthusiastically include males in their sexuality if said male says he's a woman. Lesbians who disagree are threatened with rape by those lovely, vulnerable transwomen.

There's a long thread going at the moment, I've not followed it closely, but it seems that there's a march proposed protesting VAWAG. It seems to be turning into a shitshow because women who want to make it about 'women and girls' are getting blocked, abused, threatened and called bigots. Even a compromise, allowing tras their own section of the march, isn't good enough for them.

great point - i think probably because some gay/lesbian/bisexual people don't advocate for the trans community and there is a divide within the community because of this in some instances (not the entire community, there's still a lot of solidarity)

might also be worth pondering why we have LGBTQ pride month but there is also a separate Lesbian visibility day? historical erasure of lesbians from gay civil rights movements also led to the creation of this day, and i fully support it.

LGBTQIA++ already includes trans people. Why does the T need an extra day?

I think you're missing the point.

An ideology which demands male rapists go into female prisons, decimates women's sports, legitimising the crimes of voyeurism and indecent exposure in their changing rooms and has closed down every female only rape crisis centre, isn't something people think should be celebrated by flag-waving.

Its a global day, for the global trans community - its not UK or Scotland specific!

there is very well documented violence and discrimination against the trans community globally, and I don't think its unreasonable that trans people in Europe would want to act in solidarity with people around the world?

For example/illustration (before anyone falsely says I am saying these are a "like for like" )...
We mark world AIDS day in so many different and visible ways in the UK, because while the lived experience in the UK is now very much changed for the better this isn't the case for the vast majority of people around the world who dont have access to PEP/PreP or antivirals. Similarly with LGBTQ+ Pride, while the month might be celebratory in tone for a lot of the community, it is a global event and you will see people working hard to advocate for people outside of the UK

I just don't see how this is giving the trans community "special treatment", if anything its giving exactly the same as other communities who have globally designated days?

@sadmillenial I appreciate you trying to bridge the gap in understanding.

But there really is such a gap. I've done my darndest to understand where queer / trans rights people are coming from but I fear it may be an unbridgeable gap.
I was thinking about your posts, really trying to make a fair equivalence in my mind between these trans rememberance flags and flags that might commemorate something close to my heart.
It lead me to think about a friend, who lost his mum when she was killed by his step dad.

If some local council "commemorated" this (and other, similar) awful murder by flying a shiny (♀) flag or something I rekon I'd be furious.
Absolutely furious.
I'd want to rip it down and force them to spend ten times the money it cost on a women's shelter, on DV training for cops and other service providers, on self esteem classes for teenage girls, anything other than posturing, trivialising, flag waving bullshit.
So, the question OP asked remains: What is going on here?

i don't think i ever described a trans genocide or even alluded to it, that's a very unfair suggestion. i just said there was precedent for govt action (including flags on building) for other global days of remembrance/advocacy for other communities.

Where there is actually something coherent and significant to commemorate. There is no reason for the whole country to observe a "day of remembrance" for the non existent trans murder epidemic. And including suicide as well is moving the goalposts. It's agenda-pushing, and it's used to create a false narrative.

i don't think i ever described a trans genocide or even alluded to it, that's a very unfair suggestion. i just said there was precedent for govt action (including flags on building) for other global days of remembrance/advocacy for other communities.

its hard enough to talk about this because of the strength of feeling on all sides of the discussion, we shouldn't make it harder by misrepresenting what has been said.

Sec 28 was a very clever piece of rhetoric.

It's worth queer activists remembering, when they try to make reality all about language in politics and law, that conservatives have proven better at that than progressives.

Kicked off Tinder for saying she's not interested in men, even if those men claim to be lesbians

That homophobia?

What topic? Homosexuality?

Like telling lesbians they're sexual racists for being homosexual?

Oh no, wait, that's genderists, not LGB people.