Trans remembrance flags and SNP renews support for LGBTYS

Is that figure world-wide? Are you aware how many women are murdered every year just in the UK? What about a flag for them?

Tiffany Scott seems to have been a deeply disturbed individual. A violent contrarian and who probably claimed to be trans to fuck with the system. Because the nonsense of gender politics, acceptance without exception, made it impossible to countersay he was within a whisker of being housed with vulnerable female prisoners.

Wherever he is now, if there is an afterlife, I be he's fucking pissing himself with laughter, identifying as an angel and trying to get moved to heaven.

If anyone on these boards truly believe he was trans then please, I implore you, London Bridge is not up for sale, there's no such thing as a treacle mine, the earth is not flat and it's impossible for mammals to change sex, even if they really, really want to.

“Civilised nations have been flying flags, remembering people of oppressed groups and standing against discrimination for years”

This is exciting news, have you got any pictures of the flags being flown to remember all the world’s oppressed, raped and murdered women? Anywhere, anytime……. UK, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia, DRC,India…….

And before you bite back, I do accept that in many parts of the world trans people, especially transwomen, face a difficult time, but would point out that usually when violence and discrimination is perpetrated against them it is initiated and carried out by men. It strikes me that, like so many things , this is an issue of male violence. This is a board mainly populated by women, many of whom have first hand experience of male violence. The people who really need to be challenged about male violence aren’t here.

TW are only women when it suits. They are both the same as actual women and a totally separate and vulnerable group depending on what fits the situation best.

it is not about "most oppressed" (hmmm who uses those terms?) but the fact that 2 women (at least) per week are killed. They are killed because of their sex very often.

Where is their flag? if TWAW why are no TRAs campaigning for a flag for hundreds (over 5 years that's around 250 women in the UK alone) of murdered women?

Agree. I don't think local authorities should be party political either, fwiw.

Little late to the party here, but this is 350 globally (which already represents a decrease from a couple of years ago), and most of them occurred in Latin/South America. A very high proportion of them were migrants, people of colour and sex workers, all of which increase your likelihood of dying of unnatural causes.

This is really not good evidence for the claim that trans people are more at risk than the rest of the population.

More to the point, Scott died after becoming unwell in hospital.

So what does that have to do with Scott's transgender status?

Yes, me too, I don't see any of them as a good idea.

Apart from the hierarchy element, many of them are likely to be divisive. And that is not a business the state should get involved in.

It's just totally unnecessary apart from anything else.

That's essentially my take on it also. There are so many good cause/commemoration/ awareness etc type days or events that it's impossible to recognise every one. And in picking the ones that are considered by a group of people (whether that's elected officials or activists or whoever else) to be somehow more worthy than another, sets up a hierarchy of these good causes.

And I include (for example) the suffragette flag in that. Either all, or none.

If groups or individuals want to put up flags or remember stories, that is their business.

I don't think state buildings should be used for flying flags that aren't representative of the state.

Even with veterans and soldiers, the state remembers them officially, not because they died, but because they did so at the command of, and for the good of, the state and it's citizens.

It's just a huge can of worms for the state to be officially recognizing any good cause someone wants to support.

And in terms of flag flying at local authority buildings (including City of Edinburgh Council), there doesn't seem to be a specific policy and decisions about flags to be flown appear to be made through resolutions at Council meetings. Flags previously flown by CEC seem to have focused on Palestine, Pride and TDOR. The Council building was lit up orange to support the 16 days of Activism against gender based violence campaign. But that's the extent of it.

www.gov.scot/publications/flag-flying-on-government-buildings/pages/guidance/

FWIW I’m not suggesting whether I think the SNP are right to fly a flag commemorating trans day of remembrance or not, especially if they don’t choose to mark other days of remembrance. Who knows - maybe they fly flags regularly commemorating/remembering/celebrating different groups - Daily Mail journalism is unlikely to bother to find that out.

But you can’t extrapolate that they did it specifically to commemorate Tiffany Scott. There isn’t any evidence of that.

But it’s an international day of remembrance, no?

His name was the only name of a Scottish person on the list.

And the Scottish Government guidelines don't allow for the flying of the suffragette flag, on International Women's Day, or any other day.

Strange that.

Has the SNP actually said that is why the flag was flown?

Because all I’ve seen is the likes of JKR and the Daily Mail making that accusation. But apols if I’ve missed it and someone posted something from the SNP confirming.

But as I’ve said it’s not a competition about who is the most oppressed.

Really? TRAs and genderists constantly tell us that trans are the most oppressed ever in the whole world ever, they even have politicians chanting the most oppressed mantra.

Just for anyone who doesn't know the name Tiffany Scott, acknowledged as one of the most violent inmates in the UK -

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-64438457.amp

It's been flown specifically for Tiffany Scott. Do you think that because he was oppressed he should be memorialise?

Exactly how when this thread is all about GC posters complaining about a flag being flown for trans day of remembrance?! Maybe you need to go back and RTFT.

Arguments have been raised from GC posters that it’s more important to remember people that have died of AIDS/violence against women generally (I don’t disagree either of those are important to mark. But as I’ve said it’s not a competition about who is the most oppressed. Whether or not all or any need a specific flag to be flown is a question to put to the SNP.)

Because I don't think the Scottish establishment should be celebrating a violent man who stalked a child.

Tiffany Scott may merit some compassion. He doesn't merit a fucking flag.

The only people making it into a competition are the TRAs and genderists, that is very ugly.

Nobody said anything about trans people being ‘front and centre’ of the Holocaust. It’s not a competition, @GailBlancheViola and it’s a bit ugly to try and make it one.

Similarly it doesn’t need to be a competition of saying one day of visibility or remembrance is more important than another (the AIDS example cited above).