Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

I'm sure these 'middle class postgraduate professionals' will be thrilled in a few years when Isla Bryson has served his sentence for rape and they can look forward to their daughters, their mums or, possibly, themselves sharing changing rooms, hospital wards, and showers with him.

eresh I don’t speak much on here anymore cos people are so erm so much more educated than me. But I kinda feel now I can.

Please do ❤️ university education doesn't guarantee they have any clue about the world.

The impression I have from my DC (at university) is that GC views = social death in their age group/at university. They know men can’t become women, but they’re not about to discuss that anytime soon.

You don’t think fear might be a factor in the views your early 30s friends are prepared to espouse publicly? Or even to themselves? They’re not yet at the sharp end of being a woman (child raising, career damage from same, wife work, mental load, menopause), but they are at the sharp end of peer disapproval. Why risk offending against accepted opinion when you don’t yet experience the importance of the protections women have carved out for themselves?

I’m respectful and friendly to the TW I know at work. Why wouldn’t I be? But the fact that I call X by a woman’s name at their request does not stop me recognising male bodied people do not belong in women’s sports/jails/single sex refuges. Or indeed being privately concerned for X who is quite young about the harm they are doing to their body. It’s possible to behave respectfully to trans people and still see the need to protect women’s rights.

I thought Mumsnet was both normal and middle class leaning in your opinion?

You're the one holding up your "middle class postgraduate professional" mates as some kind of cultural barometer of what the country thinks 🙄

I'm not happy with who's saying it but I'm happy it's being said.

You probably know MN better than I do, I mostly only post here on FWR, just occasionally on other parts, so maybe the rest of it is full of pile ons, I'll take your word for it. Apart from the occasional flare-up, most of the posters here are not rude or dismissive, and engage in good faith unless they think a poster is just a stirrer or is taking the piss.

But you go on to say that
'GC posters particularly like an essay post with loads of studies' and 'point out research'
like that's a bad thing?

How else can you get the facts to form opinions, whether about transgender rights or climate change or the future of the rail network or whatever, other than from the most reliable sources of provable facts that you can find? Is there a better way?

I prefer to base my opinions on provable facts. It looks like most of the posters on FWR also like sticking to provable facts, and they also like sharing links to where they found those facts. The links are often to articles written by people who are clearly much smarter that me, and I have absolutely no problem with that - there are plenty of people in the world much smarter than me -
fortunately

But yes, if somebody doesn't like that kind of fact-sharing and fact-checking, this mightn't be the ideal forum for them.

Sorry, I missed a whole page of posts, so my post didn't run on from anything!

Absolutely. And Trump has it nailed in that respect.

He won't miss a second's opportunity to capitalise on their absurd utterings.

@Snowypeaks

It's a strong message. As was Biden's EO about the meaning of sex in Title IX.
We can cross our fingers that the act to protect women's sports gets through the Senate.

Sure.

It's a strong message. As was Biden's EO about the meaning of sex in Title IX.
We can cross our fingers that the act to protect women's sports gets through the Senate.

Fucking hell. I wouldn't crack out the champers yet. This is the man who engineered the supreme court to defeat roe Vs wade. What else could he do based on his opinion?

You might agree with him on trans treatment, I'm pretty sure there are other things you wouldn't. Making trans rights a political football doesn't help anyone, it should be down to evidence based policy not what goes down well on prime time.

You mean women who are yet to reproduce and so still haven't quite grasped how significant that is an how biology really does matter? They are often still trying to find a mate, and are going through the process of working out the degree to which sex matters. They still are playing at being cool girl and getting the attention and approval of the menz rather than realising that once they have a mate thats the signal for them to become invisible doormats who are in the service of males.

Hmm. Odd isn't it.

It isn't the end of "state-legislated" anything. Executive Orders only have Federal effect and provide instructions only to Federal Officers. They cannot change existing legislation or enact laws.

This, 100%.

I miss your posts littl please come back more often!

The great thing about being on the same side of this issue is that you don't need subtle arguments or specialised knowledge.
You just tell the truth.

I know

all about the money though

eresh I don’t speak much on here anymore cos people are so erm so much more educated than me. But I kinda feel now I can. 🥹

I wonder if anyone is scolding them?

🤨🤔

It's quite something isn't it. Zuckerberg particularly, who foresaw that!

See all they tech bros who banned us for speaking truth and I include you Mumsnet , look at them now cuddling up with trump

😎😎😎😎