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Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 22/12/2024 20:14

He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

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RedToothBrush · 22/01/2025 04:54

I do resent the hard of thinking that come here to berate women who are capable of holding two thoughts in their heads;

  1. it is good that Trump has recognised reality and that no one actually believes in this shit. AND
  2. Trump has not done this because of women's rights, he has done it because it reflects majority opinion and because he understands it's a subject that undermines trust in the Democratic Party. Thus it's a useful tool to aid his own agenda.

Instead we get called all sorts of names and are accused of being far right. And told that 'you are either with us or against us' in an attempt to force women into being politically manipulated into having to support something they don't believe in and is against their own interests.

Which Trump and Co love because it creates a situation where the left are actively doing their work for them by actively and deliberately alienating and ostracising people who know gender identity is sexist made up bollocks. All without opening their own mouths once.

We are in this mess because people on the left, thought they could force gender religion upon us without being accountable and without public support. Which is as anti democratic as it gets.

This makes arguments that Trump and Co are the enemies of democracy unable to stick because of the erosion of trust and staggering level of hypocrisy.

Meanwhile here on MN free from the inability to think critically we've seen this situation coming a bloody mile off and repeatedly tried to warn politicians on the left it was a recipe for disaster and every time they said TWAW they were scoring an own goal. We got nothing but abuse for our trouble.

So we reached a state where we no longer give a fuck whether we were called Nazis. We knew we weren't because we could still string a coherent intelligent argument together, whilst being civil and rational about it without the need to throw out reciprocal threats and unfiltered abuse. We quoted Orwell and talked about the features and patterns of authoritarian behaviour. We reflected on historical patterns that ushered in conditions which allowed the collapse of democracy in bygone eras: a corrupt elite who had grown so arrogant that they now believed they were above listening to the people and could instead ignore accountability and ableness - because they knew best. We knew we were being not only civil but merely describing material reality and were able to actively demonstrate the harms being done. In short we knew the truth and that the truth will out.

However in the process of shouting that we were all Nazis, the left hand managed to somehow render the accusation meaningless. They successfully silenced many by making them believe their voices were worthless and they were powerless. The power of calling someone a Nazi has been reduced to nothing as it had been used so inappropriately to the point that it no longer held fear of social pariahhood. Everyone had been falsely accused, and knew that they were not Nazis and the accusation was merely a way to try and control them and silence them.

Thus allowing the actual fascists who met the definition of the word in multiple ways to gain traction. And we've now reached a point where someone can stand on stage and do a deliberate Nazi salute to be able to brazen it out openly, because the fuckwits didn't listen to us here. T

We are The Cassandras.

We are still not Nazis nor Nazi sympathisers. We still don't like Trump and don't remotely think he will do anything for women. Because we know that authoritarians of all persuasions come for women first and erode their rights and freedoms. That's because we've been identifying the authoritatism of both the left and the right allies along and continue to do so.

Because we are capable of holding more than one thought in our heads and recognising the world is a bit more complicated than the fantastical dross that gender evangelists like to spout.

All you have to offer is more name-calling and you wonder why we all stand here going 'and?' in response to Trump.

Why?

Because 'we told you so', long before this ever happened. We saw this coming a mile off and you did nothing. And now you stand there shouting insults into the void. No one cares because they stopped listening to you long ago when you told us we had to go along with the make believe no matter how much it harmed us and failed to engage when we presented the evidence of our real life problems.

You made yourselves irrelevant and even now you can't figure it out about how we got here. Cos it's always everyone else's fault but yours. You had the spin to avoid accountability and suddenly wonder why the opposition gets away with worse.

So you carry on shouting at us and telling us how we are to blame for everything and how evil we are.

We can all see it for what it is: 'fiddling whilst Rome burns'.

We were never the enemy. You made us out to be the enemy. We said look out behind you. You ignored us and focused all your attention on continuing to persecute anyone who disagree with you.

You let the real threat just waltz in through the open city gates. And now the city burns. All we are doing now is stand here watching the winds of change fan the flames knowing there's probably little we can do to stop it as we've passed that point.

I'm so over justifying my position and the position of so many women on MN. We don't have to. Material reality holds true.

It's not us who needs to get our house in order to regain credibility.

Engage your brain. And fast. Before it really is too late and there's nothing left to salvage from the mess you created.

Men can't become women. They never could and they never will. Stop being misogynist creeps intent on upholding the bullshit law that states : "men are whatever they say they are, women are whatever men tell them".

Then maybe we'll start to give the slightest fuck about what you have to say again.

May I take this opportunity to quietly remind you that leaders in a democracy are there to serve the people. Until then, it's not us who isn't on your side. It's you that's not on our side. We are not here to serve your own self interest.

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 04:30

@LadyGreyson .

Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 04:25

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Do you even know what GC means, @LadyGreyson ? It doesn't seem so. Gender Critical means Critical of Gender stereotypes. It means believing a boy can play with dolls and like pink, and a girl can play with cars and like blue. It means being against gender stereotypes. Are you pro or anti gender stereotypes, LadyGreyson?

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 04:21

NotBadConsidering · 21/01/2025 11:27

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care

But you don’t believe that prisoners should be, so you’re critical of their gender identity in this scenario. As pp say, go and post this on a trans forum and see how long it takes until you get told to die in a grease fire or banned.

And kill ourselves. For a group that is obsessed with promoting Suicide Ideation, they are continually telling us to kill ourselves. They are obsessed with telling feminists to kill ourselves. That, or we should be raped. People like LadyGreyson wants so desperately to think she is on the side of the good guys. But that is the scum that is her side.

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 04:18

Atalanta44 · 21/01/2025 22:22

If you were remotely thinking that Trump was a reasonable alternative because of his anti trans stances, and vote for him based on BS anti-trans reasons, then that sounds like it’s a you problem.

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

Yeah, its feminists trying desperately to keep womens rights that are bad guys, right? Not the men telling us they'd like to rape us until our uteruses rupture for saying only women have periods, as I added in an image above, or we should kill ourselves for saying no to males in female only intimate safe single sex spaces. No, its women and girls that are the 'bad guys'. Just go back to calling us 'feminazis' like all you men did in the '70s, @Atalanta44 .

IdylicDay · 22/01/2025 04:12

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You seem deeply confused, @LadyGreyson . We are not the ones labelling you a 'terf', YOUR MOB are. If you believe male rapists who identify as trans shouldn't be in female prisons, your mob are the ones who label you as 'terf'. Go to a pro-trans forum/twitter account and say you don't believe transwomen male rapists should be in female prisons. Go on, try it. You'll be called a 'terf', bigot and told to go kill yourself.

That, is YOUR MOB. By your mob you will be known: (and you wonder why we fight so desperately to keep these out of our spaces!!)

Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders
NotBadConsidering · 22/01/2025 03:12

The man who doesn’t give a flying fuck about women’s rights has done more for women’s rights with one executive order than Biden and Obama did with 12 years in office. Yes, it’s a topsy turvy world, but if we were to wait for the “right” sort of president who meets the purity test then we’d be waiting a long time.

And it’s a guarantee that if Kamala Harris had been elected she’d have done jack shit to help women in this regard.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 01:05

@Datun 👏

Datun · 22/01/2025 00:56

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No, it's not about women's rights. Trump doesn't give a flying fuck about women's rights he's a raging misogynist.

Who gives a rat's arse?

Barely anyone agrees with trans ideology.

You can want it gone because of women's rights, because of free speech, because it's shit for kids, because it's not true and because it's unhinged claptrap that no one is buying.

The effect of it will be no more rapists in women's prisons, women's sport survives and kids don't get mutilated.

You now know that no one here thinks Trump has women's best interests at heart. But he's written it anyway. Because it's fucking nuts and a massive vote loser if he doesn't.

Is that better?

Datun · 22/01/2025 00:48

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 23:35

Champagne I hope @Datun, @Atalanta44 might only set their sights on Prosecco but I'm not so easily pleased 🍾

God, heaven forfend !

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 00:07

No one is buying it @LadyGreyson - you and your middle class postgrad chums are out of touch with what people think. Which is where you came in, I think 🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 00:03

Ah yes, of course you don't give a shit about how the Trump administration will negatively affect a whole nation as long as your GC agenda succeeds. Why am I not surprised

I specifically quoted the bit I was referring to, the bit about the puerile name a lot of sexist men use for this website, but don't let that get in the way of your bad faith takes 🙄

LadyGreyson · 21/01/2025 23:59

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Myalternate · 21/01/2025 23:51

I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care.

You can believe anything you like but I won’t be forced to accept your beliefs and nor it seems will people in the US. 👍

LadyGreyson · 21/01/2025 23:43

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 23:35

Champagne I hope @Datun, @Atalanta44 might only set their sights on Prosecco but I'm not so easily pleased 🍾

Datun · 21/01/2025 23:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 23:02

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

No one cares 👍🏻

🥂

Datun · 21/01/2025 23:20

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I believe that transgender people have the right to be recognised and treated as the gender they identify as and have a right to gender affirming care. So by definition not gender critical.

although you're right that it does not make you gender critical, I'm still not sure you understand what gender critical means.

Gender, in that term, means the roles and expectations that society imposes on men and women, based on what they think they should be doing because of their sex.

Feminists are naturally critical of society imposed gender roles, because nine times out of ten they will disadvantage women.

It's built into feminism.

Trans ideology posits that if a man feels in a certain way, it must make him a woman. And what is that certain way? Because you can bet your life it's not leading a country, or getting a Nobel peace prize.

It would be a 'womanly' way. And a womanly way that is largely never discussed, because of course, it will show up the sexism (and let's face it, men never transition because they suddenly want to write all the Christmas cards, take care of the kids and look after elderly parents).

So being a gender critical feminist is really a tautology. You can't be a feminist without being critical of gender.

AliceNutterWasAWoman · 21/01/2025 23:18

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 23:02

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

No one cares 👍🏻

Amen to that.
I have kept up with every FWR thread on the Executive Order today and I have not heard a single reasoned argument in favour of gender ideology. In fact I haven't heard one in the last 9 years. You would think one could be mustered today of all days. Last chance before I go to bed. Anyone......?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/01/2025 23:02

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

No one cares 👍🏻

Snowypeaks · 21/01/2025 22:29

The EO is about women's rights. Women.
This EO is great for women in America. It's also a superb piece of drafting. The clarity and comprehensiveness will I hope be powerfully persuasive in English speaking countries around the world.

Tooes · 21/01/2025 22:26

Working for an American company in the UK, I wonder if they're going to drop their DEI gaslighting here too. Shame for all the stupid crap Trump will do for the oligarchs, but hopefully it will put a break on the attempts of the insane to convert our children

Atalanta44 · 21/01/2025 22:22

If you were remotely thinking that Trump was a reasonable alternative because of his anti trans stances, and vote for him based on BS anti-trans reasons, then that sounds like it’s a you problem.

People like you are reasons number one, two and three why this place is nicknamed ‘Prosecco Stormfront’.

LadyGreyson · 21/01/2025 13:37

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themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 21/01/2025 12:05

Oh - I missed on the first reading that compelled speech sex deception pronouns will no longer be allowed in public institutions and schools.

Hallelujah! The abuse of children to be stopped on all fronts! The gaslighting, the silencing, the toxic lying.

Please please can we follow suit over here?

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