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Trump's plans for day one: ending child sexual mutilation and having just male and female genders

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ResisterOfTwaddleRex · 22/12/2024 20:14

He says "genders" but that has to mean "sex". Day one executive orders, apparently:

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BonfireLady · 22/01/2025 23:02

MalagaNights · 21/01/2025 10:42

Posted this on the other thread but adding here in case the order hasn't been linked to:

Here is the order:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/01/defending-women-from-gender-ideology-extremism-and-restoring-biological-truth-to-the-federal-government/

What really strikes me is that none of this is having to be based on 'GC beliefs' as a protected characteristic in the way this has had to be used to challenge GI in the UK legal system. This is saying:

It's not a belief it's a reality.

There are only two sexes and that is what the law is based on.

It changes everything. We're back in reality.

Well they're back in reality in the US.

This is why I much prefer the other part of what Maya Forstater won in her appeal - the right not to believe that we all have a gender identity:

https://x.com/anyabike/status/1749777661855940901?t=Jrsiw6uvippSHHEgMt6lbA&s=19

We should be holding public institutions like schools and hospitals to account because, when they promote a belief in gender identity, they are not following the Nolan Principles. They are breaking existing laws which govern objectivity in public life. The concept of not promoting a belief as fact is covered a few of the points in the EO from the US:

  • “Gender identity” reflects a fully internal and subjective sense of self, disconnected from biological reality and sex and existing on an infinite continuum, that does not provide a meaningful basis for identification and cannot be recognized as a replacement for sex.
  • Federal funds shall not be used to promote gender ideology. Each agency shall assess grant conditions and grantee preferences and ensure grant funds do not promote gender ideology
  • Agencies shall remove all statements, policies, regulations, forms, communications, or other internal and external messages that promote or otherwise inculcate gender ideology, and shall cease issuing such statements, policies, regulations, forms, communications or other messages. Agency forms that require an individual’s sex shall list male or female, and shall not request gender identity. Agencies shall take all necessary steps, as permitted by law, to end the Federal funding of gender ideology.

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https://x.com/anyabike/status/1749777661855940901?s=19&t=Jrsiw6uvippSHHEgMt6lbA

Britinme · 22/01/2025 21:52

Nobody is suggesting that men can't dress in stereotypical "feminine" clothing, or wear make up or change their names to female-sounding names. As far as I can see, that's all that 'living as a woman' seems to involve for most transwomen. All that is required is that these men do not insert themselves into spaces reserved for actual women or compel others to pretend that they are in fact women.

UtopiaPlanitia · 22/01/2025 20:04

Really @Grammarnut? That sounds interesting - I’d be very inclined to hear more along those lines from politicians 🤔 The existing American legal decision that pornographers are engaging in free speech has always struck me as sophistry.

Grammarnut · 22/01/2025 16:29

larklane17 · 22/12/2024 20:47

Hmm. I watch with interest.

He probably said gender to ensure that no one got rid of the sex industry on him.

He seems bent on criminalizing pornography...at least that's what he said.

Datun · 22/01/2025 15:29

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 12:48

Because it's my choice not to respond to every spurious "point" you imagine you are making. It's just a predictable list of TRA talking points. Hope that helps.

It really is. How long have have we been listening to this crap? 10 years at least

You have cave into the demands of men accessing unconsenting women, for all these reasons.

And by reasons I mean masculine women.

😄

Datun · 22/01/2025 15:21

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 14:37

I think they enjoy thinking about it 🤮

There was that chap a few months ago who didn't realise how excited he was coming across talking about men in women's prisons 😁

He started off all moral and high groundy but ended up practically panting.

I'm still not sure why he couldn't type something different to what he was actually feeling!

LadyGreyson · 22/01/2025 14:53

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 14:42

I agree @lcakethereforeIam

Snowypeaks · 22/01/2025 14:38

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Then don't complain that this is an echo chamber or that nobody wants to hear your point of view.
I am disappointed. But not surprised.

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 14:37

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 14:07

TRAs do enjoy a good old froth about the imaginary "genital inspectors".

I think they enjoy thinking about it 🤮

LadyGreyson · 22/01/2025 14:25

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ArabellaScott · 22/01/2025 14:20

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Okay, thanks for being honest about your intent. I'll disengage going forward and just report any insults.

RedToothBrush · 22/01/2025 14:18

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Yawn.

Next.

LadyGreyson · 22/01/2025 14:11

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 14:07

TRAs do enjoy a good old froth about the imaginary "genital inspectors".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 14:06

lcakethereforeIam · 22/01/2025 13:20

This article is an interesting insight into the possible mindset of the tra doommongers

https://thecritic.co.uk/the-genital-inspection-unit/

That's a great article, Victoria Smith is always right on the money.

"In the case of “genital inspections”, women and girls are told if they want any room of their own, someone would have to stand outside it, looking into their pants to make sure there was no penis present.

Apparently one couldn’t just expect penis-owners to follow rules on the basis that they’d face disapproval were^ they found to be breakingthem. Those who claim to be no threat to women can’t be trusted to demonstrate it, therefore the only thing for it is to have no boundaries for them to overstep^."

LadyGreyson · 22/01/2025 14:01

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 13:53

"Set about writing pages of self indulgent bullshit"

much polite, very civility

ArabellaScott · 22/01/2025 13:40

Right. You're not interested in actually making any progress, here, are you?

LadyGreyson · 22/01/2025 13:32

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ArabellaScott · 22/01/2025 13:16

When someone who isn't self declared GC

I said this earlier; you are confusing 'gc' as an identity, rather than a specific and pretty unexceptional collection of beliefs. Some of which you say you hold.

Snowypeaks · 22/01/2025 12:58

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Well, why not answer?
For example, what do you understand "gender critical" to mean? Or "sex realist"?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 22/01/2025 12:57

Do stop calling women you disagree with a mob, @LadyGreyson, while hypocritically preaching about tone. Not your first rodeo here, I think.

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