US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

Is life sacred or not?

But sad to note there are some women who are eager to support them.

They rail against the Taliban and other brown people, cheered on by tinfoil hatters, blithely unaware that apart from their views on Budweiser and pork, you couldn't get a Rizla paper between them.

Exactly - and no doubt tub thumb about Catholics, and how they dont have the right morals as well.

Sometimes I feel as a British person, we should apologise for sending all those Protestant fanatics to America. Not just for taking over the land, but imposing their religious mania of a country that is meant to be diverse as part of its founding principles (or something).

Indeed. If men don't want women having abortions, they can keep their dicks in their trousers.

Women in the US should simply refuse to have sex until this Bill is voted down. I know easier said than done but it might send a message.

Pregnant woman. This is about women.

Would expect something like this from the Taliban not in a developed western nation.

IWantToRetire

I hope this article is right and that it is unlikely to pass.
But the fact it has even been introduced is so scary.

Unfortunately, in a society with a loud and significant number of angry, performatively religiose hypocrites having positions of public responsibility, these sorts of bills are inevitable. People with similarly unpleasant, domineering mindsets vote the buggers in.

They rail against the Taliban and other brown people, cheered on by tinfoil hatters, blithely unaware that apart from their views on Budweiser and pork, you couldn't get a Rizla paper between them.

Surely those who carry out the death penalty are murderers and should be executed?

Before they start executing women, how about a national vasectomy programme 🤔

Pregnant woman.

All people who are pregnant are women.

Men are not at risk of the death penalty from this.

Another step closer to Gilead.

That's really scary. I've always said, these evangelical Christians start being strong on banning guns and against the death penalty is the day I'll start listening to their views on abortion. The next question is who'll look after all the babies that are abandoned because their mothers can't look after them.

Good luck proving it's spontaneous. There have already been women jailed for illegal abortions after miscarriages.

Harris originally introduced the same bill in 2023, and the idea that lawmakers would consider using capital punishment on people who get abortions sparked national outrage. Several Republicans who co-sponsored that bill quietly removed their names after public outcry. The 2023 version died shortly after it was introduced in the state House.

Harris did not respond to HuffPost’s request for comment this week, but defended the bill in 2023 to HuffPost reporter Lydia O’Connor.

“My bill does not single out women,” Harris said at the time. “It prohibits everyone from committing murder. It provides the same due process that everyone enjoys under our current laws.”

It’s very unlikely that the bill will go anywhere this time around. The current version has six co-sponsors, including Harris, all of whom are white men and members of the South Carolina Freedom Caucus, part of the more extreme sector of the Republican Party.

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/south-carolina-republicans-set-to-reintroduce-bill-allowing-death-penalty-for-abortions_n_675b3f40e4b08876deeb7287

I hope this article is right and that it is unlikely to pass.

But the fact it has even been introduced is so scary.

I have always felt that peeple who live their lives by religious beliefs should not be allowed to become politicians.

Because it nearly always means they are trying to impose their beliefs on others.

Jesus, that's horrific.

But from a logical perspective, since the whole argument for banning abortion is that the foetus is a legal person with human rights from conception, I can see how it logically follows that if the death penalty is available for the crime of murder, and abortion is considered murder in the context of anti-abortion legislation, then the death penalty could be available for anyone guilty of the crime of abortion (although so should the mitigation of self-defence, presumably).

I think in a way, this proposal (assuming it doesn't become law) might be helpful to pro-choice campaigners, as it highlights the utter absurdity of giving human rights to an embryo and the logical conclusion of the view that abortion is actual murder.

America is coming closer & closer to the Handmaids tale type scenario. Elon musk is likely to be behind much of this as he is determined to get the western birth rate rising. The same country that provides one of the worsts levels of maternity leave in the western world.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/27/maternity-leave-us-policy-worst-worlds-richest-countries

One of the many things that makes me furious about this is also the way miscarriage will get drawn in and you just know the men behind this understand nothing about it. I bet you anything if you asked them about miscarriage and how often it occurs they'd be all 'Oh well it's very rare isn't it, and it only happens if the mother does something wrong like drink or drugs'. They'll have no clue that about 25-30% end in miscarriage in the first twelve weeks and that it's nothing to do with what the mum does or doesn't do.

'Already in Georgia, a fetus qualifies for tax credits and child support, and is to be included in population counts and redistricting' ... if it wasn't so awful, I'd find the stupidity of this mindset funny

The bill provides exceptions for unintentional deaths resulting from life-saving procedures for the mother or spontaneous miscarriage.

How very generous of them. No death penalty if you have a miscarriage 🙄

Honestly I've had a bloody shit day but this has tipped me over. Why does the world hate women so much?

‘Give the foetus the same right as born individuals’

Does that mean the pregnant person gets to start maternity leave at 6 weeks as surely child labour laws would prevent the ‘child’ from being in the work place?

Says that the foetus counts as an individual, can the family add it to their life insurance policy?

What about banning guns? Right to arm yourself? Wasn’t there a school shooting last week?

For those who don't click, this is in South Carolina, the man who introduced the bill is a Republican called Rob Harris, and it's called the South Carolina Prenatal Equal Protection Act.

Also from that article, as of September this year there are 17 US states which have given fetuses legal personhood, and in Georgia a fetus qualifies for tax credits and child support and is to be included in population counts.