US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

My thoughts exactly - the reasoning of this bill is only logical.

However, I unfortunately disagree with your conclusion. As we see on these forums all the time, many people have black and white thinking while lacking a sense of proportion. They’ll find this type of logic irresistible, and that’s before you even get to those who are primarily motivated by misogyny.

I also think the pro-choice movement doesn’t really tackle head on the clash of ‘rights’. I too think it absurd - and insulting - that the will, well-being and autonomy of a fully conscious human being can be overridden by an embryo that is not even going to have any understanding of its situation and will not experience suffering. I can I understand why - it’s not a ‘nice’ argument and it’s more difficult to articulate than ‘healthcare’ - but it is the crux of it for most. The basic right to not be forced to give up your body to another is paramount. But it isn’t centred in this debate.

This is 24 carat, five star, ocean-going card-carrying nuts. A demented need to control every aspect of a woman's existence.

It's an absolutely vile law. Only a misogynist could have dreamt it up. I fear for women under Trump as he will only instate more conservative judges.

Sometimes I feel as a British person, we should apologise for sending all those Protestant fanatics to America. Not just for taking over the land, but imposing their religious mania of a country that is meant to be diverse as part of its founding principles (or something).

There are far more Catholics than Evangelical Protestants in the US and many Catholics believe that life is sacred from conception. Look at the abortion laws in Central and South America, the US is more in line with them than with Europe.

Reminds me of a quote from the comedian Bill Hicks. "Pro- lifers killing people? It's pretty basic irony but it's there".

I know. They are insane / very disturbed.

Not sure how they'd manage to implement that??

Gonna be a hell of a lot of death sentences

(Or people moving out of SC)

Wow. Whilst I am not in favour of abortion unless there is risk to the mother/foetus, punishing a woman in this way is just plain wrong, and is anti-Christian in the extreme.

Exactly.

It’s like we’re living in a parallel universe and we’re level headed and sensible and they are beyond bonkers…

It’s a fucked up way of thinking that’s for certain. Mind blowing 🤯 that this is happening in 2024/25. Backwards.

Religion has a lot to answer for though

What the actual fuck? So basically the USA hates women. If I lived in America I'd absolutely refuse to have sex, ever.

I read a book a couple of years ago which scarily now seems like a prediction of the future. It's called Unborn by Rachel McLean.

It gets more like Margaret Atwood by the day.

Surely it will never pass but equally important what kind of mindset comes up with this very disturbing to say the least.

Why do we not have a "hate" react.

There is so much going on that is hateful of women.

Women and children don't always have a choice about pregnancy. Basically if you're female and fertile you're at risk of the death penalty or forced to have a child.

Astonishingly awful. They just hate women so much.

I can hardly put my thoughts into words as I'm so angry at the hatred and hypocrisy and stupidity. But basically this.

I came on to say the same thing. Imagine miscarrying and some misogynistic psycho using this as an excuse to accuse you of abortion. It will happen.

Well I would be hiding my pregnancy for as long as possible for fear of a miscarriage causing suspicion. Once again women’s rights and health are in the toilet.

Yeah you got me there 😁.

Could you provide evidence that the USA is a developed western nation?

It is a sobering thought. Especially as it is 100% obvious that women of colour are most likely to die for this.

Black women in 1824 were forced to carry the children of their owner. Progress has brought us to all women forcibly carrying babies. Yey for progress?!

Well it's hard to tell isn't it? Apparently it's sacred when it comes to foetuses but not when it comes to women.