US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

Women really should be boycotting the US as a place to visit.
Americans hate women having free choice as much as Iranians do they just hide it better.

How about skipping the vasectomy and going straight to castration ?

I hate how a liberal (in the original British meaning) country like the UK is picking up culture war divisions from the US, a completely different culture, through social media tribalism. Calling this stuff "viral" was very well named, it infects us and makes our societies weak and sick.

This is horrendous, unfortunately over here in the UK, reform have made a few noises against abortion, and Elon musk might be giving them a big donation so I can see it could potentially become a topic over here within the next 10 years maybe not as extreme as the USA but still concerning.
I saw a tiktok of Tucker Carlson (well known in the US, he even interviewed Putin a while back ) saying people should be having kids as young as possible, even in high school - this is really disturbing but he has many followers on the US and can be in an influential position.
They want gilead some of them and I feel for the women in these states, ironically these men enforcing these rules are some of the worst of the lot what they do in their personal lives !

And that's without all the fertilised eggs that fail to develop and never come close to implantation.

But they'll find crackpot "doctors" to support them and come out with some kind of crap blaming women.

Remember the "doctors" who told GWB that if a pregnant woman says she's raped she's lying, because rape causes the body to "shut down" the process of pregnancy?

It will go through. Maybe not immediately but eventually it will. I never, ever thought Roe -v- Wade would be repealed.

Sad how true this is...

I was replying to a post about the religious nuts who won't abort to save the mother's life, not the religious nuts who want to execute women for having abortions. I guess you must have replied before I edited it to clarify.

(But clearly, the latter group make a distinction between an individual chosing to kill when they are not obliged to (sin) and killing when acting as an agent of the state/church in punishment or military action.)

And you think your refusal would be listened to?

As we see on these forums all the time, many people have black and white thinking while lacking a sense of proportion. They’ll find this type of logic irresistible, and that’s before you even get to those who are primarily motivated by misogyny.

Yes, that makes sense, unfortunately. It's insane how easily misogyny seeps through into every aspect of our lives with no-one even noticing because it's already so commonplace.

Surely that would make the effect of abortion even worse in the eyes of someone who believes in original sin and the power of baptism, though?

I'm no expert but I've always understood original sin to be a very different type of sin from sins one commits, at least in Catholicism.

the foetus has not had the chance to sin

I'm not sure that stacks up with Christian doctrine. The foetus has original sin, and hasn't been cleansed of it by baptism.

But execution is the deliberate taking of a life ? How would they justify this ??

It'a pretty simple logic. The woman dying is an act of god but the abortion is a deliberate choice to take a life ie a sin. I don't agree with them but that is the thinking. (ETA - referring here to the religious nuts who won't abort a pregnancy to save the mother, not the religious nuts who want to execute woemn who have abortions)

Beyond that, the whole thing is based on the belief that if something bad has to happen, better to save a soul without sin than one with. Since the foetus has not had the change to sin yet it always wins against a human with a lived life. They prefer the potential of perfection implied by a tabula rasa than the messy compromises of existing in the world.

This is also why they don't care what happens to the "saved" kids after birth. Birth takes them from perfect clean slate to messy needy human, and the longer they live the more tainted and less worthy of consideration they become.

It's not surprising this bill has been introduced and co-sponsored by these extreme individuals - any member of a state house can introduce any mad bill they want, there's no guarantee a bill will ever become law.

The real question is how do these nutters get elected into office in the first place?

What does it take to introduce a bill in South Carolina - can you just get any old radical lawyers put in a bill to see if it will fly or does it have to pass a sniff test first?

But they don't seem to even really want those children, do they?

Oh dear. Are they really that incredibly stupid. To go on and on about human life being so precious and doing all they can to protect what they see as unborn children yet are pushing forward with plans to kill human women ? So it is precious and yet it’s also not ? Basically they want the children but not the mothers. How sickening.

So if the foetus inside me, in law, is an individual in its own right, why can I not evict it, as its being a parasite, taking anything it wants from me? If this was an 18 year old, plenty of people would say 'make it stand on its own 2 feet'

The basic right to not be forced to give up your body to another is paramount. But it isn’t centred in this debate.

Exactly that.

I read years ago that the religious nuts thought it far better for the mother to die than for an abortion to take place. I'm not remotely tolerant enough to even try to understand this.