US state introduces bill to punish women getting abortions with death penalty

Depends on what denomination. My church say children are innocent until they reach the age of accountability (knowing right from wrong.) Some people never reach that (because of disability/learning difficulties) so they're innocent for their whole life. When the innocent die they go straight to heaven. Whether those who die before being born have souls or not is up for debate, there isn't a definite answer. (My church, LDS, isn't pro choice but says abortions can happen in certain circumstances, it's up to the mother, although she's advised to talk to her bishop about it and pray about it.) Talking to a woman I know from church who was really angry about what's happening in the USA because in her opinion it's taking agency away from women, which is wrong.

Indeed.

I feel so sorry for the women here. Imagine being raped, going through the trauma of that, reporting it, then finding out you're pregnant, having a miscarriage and the potential trauma of that and potential health problems, and then being treated like a potential criminal by the state 😥

And the men who make people pregnant including rapists, and incest rapists fathers and brothers and uncles of little girls will not get the death penalty.

And obviously the unmarried daughters and the mistresses of said politicians will be exempt….

Yes, you can bet your bottom dollar that wealthy, white families will be able to take 'holidays' to somewhere they can access abortion for a family member who needs it. But a poor , black teenager crossing state lines in a car will be under much more suspicion.

Chris-tin-ear innit

Ghastly scenarios opening up with this… Is it guilty till proven innocent? if so, e.g. won’t there be a lot of motherless children when their mother has to be executed when she had a miscarriage she couldn’t prove was natural? or does it have to be proven to be deliberate? won’t there be a rush of women to get sterilised if fertility becomes such a liability? Forced to choose whether to remain alive but childless, or risk death with children. If sterilisation is made illegal, could it be done secretly elsewhere? Could it be investigated whether a woman made herself deliberately infertile?

The entire thread expresses sympathy, concern, and fear for the women this regressive crazy law might affect.

Christinaapple uses the thread to get a dig in against women with views Christinaapple doesn’t approve of.

Quelle fucking surprise 🙄

It's been perfectly clear that Christinapple has either not understood what GC means, or is pretending not to.
Trump and his ilk, like them, believes that women are people with a certain set of traits, behaviours, characteristics, likes, feelings etc.

Rather than just simply describing a body type which can have any type of personality, soul, identity etc.

It is The Handmaid’s Tale.

I don’t actually have any words.

Donald Trump is no more gender critical than you are. He believes in gender. The difference between him and you is that he believes that gender is the same as sex and that everyone should conform to the gender stereotype of their sex. Gender critical people believe that gender is a social construct that exists to the disadvantage of women.

But I thought Trump was a "good" president because he is gender critical? Or is being gender critical more important than the fact he also happens to be far-right, anti-abortion and has allegations of sexual assault?

YankTank · Today 11:57

It's tragic and ridiculous that a country which can invent a landable rocket, fantastic computers and the like can't keep women alive in childbirth. And even less so that it has states champing at the bit to murder women who've had tragedies.

The men trying to push these laws are nothing but sadistic psychopaths.

Affluent women will still get abortions, no doubt, even if they live in states where abortions are illegal. And yes, affluent women are more mobile when it comes to moving to a new state.

That rather presumes that women can't leave the state. Forever.

Plenty of young men fled the US to evade the draft and stayed where they landed. I knew one in Oxford.

Also, who would accept a posting into a state like this ? Certainly no woman I know. Will make it hard for some companies and agencies.

To be sure some women will be able to choose to move away, or not move to these states. But largely that will be the more privileged ones. (I would think that applied to the draft dodgers too).

Young doctors just aren’t going to those states to be gynaecologists. The result is gynaecological deserts, and will only get worse as more gynaecologists retire. Not only does this affect abortion access, but it affects all women—all women need Pap smears for early cancer detection! And gynaecologists in the US also often do manual breast exams. This is going to be a major blow to womens’ health outcomes, particularly 10-20 years down the line.

NoBinturongsHereMate · 21/12/2024 20:34

If this goes through, doctors will be even more reluctant than they already are to treat pregnancy complications or other conditions arising during pregnancy.

I remember reading in the Guardian about this, a few years ago. Obs Gyn is a field where complications have a very high likelihood and doctors often go into other fields, to avoid being sued. This has resulted in a shortage and many who do go into Obs Gyn are the ones who scraped through their exams.

It's why the USA has almost third world outcomes in childbirth.

It has wider implications too surely. Doesn’t it mean that all women of child bearing age will potentially be subject to policing, both by state and public? So every miscarriage will be investigated, every time a women of child bearing age buys an alcoholic drink or packet of cigarettes or even a coffee will she be grilled about potential pregnancy.. what about if she travels out of state? What if her neighbour/ hostile mother in law / abusive husband advises that she’s not eating healthily / doing anything they disapprove of during pregnancy etc. …,,,

I don’t know why anyone is surprised here…this does align nicely with the chapter on abortion in the Republican Party’s Project 2025. And Trump did say that all women who have had abortions should be punished.

Yeah, cos some of those foetuses might be male. The women definitely are not.

So much for pro life
Exactly. Presumably they can’t see the contradiction.
They probably agree war is fine too, including bombs that kill pregnant women.