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All defendants in the Pelicot case found guilty

44 replies

Greyskybluesky · 19/12/2024 10:15

All those names. It's horrific.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cnv35lp14z9t

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BobbyBiscuits · 19/12/2024 15:18

Of course they're guilty. I just can't believe how many perverts there are in a small radius around an idyllic village?! Bearing in mind this filthy lot are a tiny proportion of people up to no good being sickos.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 15:15

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2024 12:20

I have just checked. A 70km radius around Mazan has a population of circa 2.2 million.

https://www.maps.ie/population/

That's a very useful link, thank you Arabella.

Given that Mazan is just Anytown, we could draw a 70km radius around anywhere, such as the place we live in, and wonder how many potential rapists are contained in that area..72? more? less?

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2024 12:20

I have just checked. A 70km radius around Mazan has a population of circa 2.2 million.

https://www.maps.ie/population/

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2024 12:16

Wow. BBC reporter talking about MVAWG.

ArabellaScott · 19/12/2024 12:07

All from within a 60km radius. 71 men, 20 yet to be found.

caramac04 · 19/12/2024 12:06

Guilty was the only possible verdict. I understand that the husband was deemed to be more depraved and offered his wife for rape; therefore a longer sentence but I would have liked to have seen 15 years for the other rapists.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 12:05

The fact that there was such a long delay before she appeared before the cameras meant that BBC and Sky had to keep talking, keep interviewing experts and activists, and as I said before, I have never ever heard such a prolonged and sustained expression of feminist analysis of male violence!

I have to go out now, I've been hanging on till the last moment hoping to be able to see her speak.

I did, and I am inspired.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 12:02

A short statement, with complete strength and dignity as always.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 19/12/2024 12:01

Damn. I’m at work 😭

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 11:57

11.57⭐⭐⭐Gisele P about to speak live BBC/Sky and probably elsewhere.

HaveYouActuallyDoneAnyWashingThisWeekMum · 19/12/2024 11:05

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:47

#NotAllMenButAt Least72InASmallGeographicalArea...

Yes. This is one of the most horrific aspects of this case.

I’m very pleased all those rapists will be locked away and wish them a very uncomfortable stay in prison.

#ShouldhavethoughtabouttheimplicationsofvisitingawebsitecalledWithoutHerKnowledge

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:47

#NotAllMenButAt Least72InASmallGeographicalArea...

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:44

BBC and Sky giving this live coverage, and some very very strong feminist statements being broadcast in the gaps between anything happening at the court. Somebody called Jamie Klinger on Sky calling out male violence as being something that only men can stop - 'if me talking at Speakers Corner for years could end male violence, it would be over already - men have to stop it'

I've never heard so much profound and angry feminist analysis of male violence on mainstream media ever!

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:39

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 19/12/2024 10:34

Good. I don't understand how they could not have been given the maximum sentences though?

20 years was the maximum possible, so if they wanted to punish the specific depravity of the husband with a higher sentence, the others 'had to' [I'm not approving] be lower.

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:37

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 19/12/2024 10:33

To be fair to the lawyer, they have to try anything to argue why their client should get off/lightest sentence possible. Doesn’t mean he agrees with a word he is saying (though he might).

I agree, and Dominique Pelicot's lawyer spoke too, and was much less 'opinionated', it was obvious that she had a job to do and was doing it fairly ad to her best ability. Other defence lawyers have actually expressed their respect for Gisele P., I believe.
I found the words of the lawyer I referred to were surprisingly strong, given that he had just stepped out of the culmination of such a shocking and clear-cut rape trial.

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 19/12/2024 10:34

Good. I don't understand how they could not have been given the maximum sentences though?

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 19/12/2024 10:33

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:27

One of the defence lawyers spoke at some length, he started off well about respecting the legal process and the dignity of the court etc but then seemed to double down on the idea that some of the defendants were not rapists because they did not intend to rape, and in the debate about consent, the notion of intent should be retained in French law.
He also repeated that his client was controlled by the husband, so less guilty..

To be fair to the lawyer, they have to try anything to argue why their client should get off/lightest sentence possible. Doesn’t mean he agrees with a word he is saying (though he might).

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:27

One of the defence lawyers spoke at some length, he started off well about respecting the legal process and the dignity of the court etc but then seemed to double down on the idea that some of the defendants were not rapists because they did not intend to rape, and in the debate about consent, the notion of intent should be retained in French law.
He also repeated that his client was controlled by the husband, so less guilty..

MarieDeGournay · 19/12/2024 10:25

A range of sentences, from the maximum 20 yrs to walking free because of time served before the trial.