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Female school shooter?

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Signalbox · 17/12/2024 08:02

Female school shooter. The alleged attacker has been named. Natalie Rupnow also goes by the name Samantha.

Madison’s chief of police was asked about comments online that suggest the shooter may have been trans.

“I don’t know whether Natalie was transgender or not,” Barnes said at a news conference tonight.

“I don’t think that whatever happened today has anything to do with how she or he or they may have wanted to identify,” he said. “And I wish people would kind of leave their own personal biases out of this.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

15-year-old female ID'd as shooter at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin

Latest news and live updates on the potential school shooting at Abundant Life Christian School in Madison, Wisconsin, on Monday.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna184404

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:31

Honestly guys, if any suspects turn out to actually be trans you can rely on 90% of the mainstream press

This really isn't true as you would know if you were in any way informed about this issue @Echobelly

But of course you aren't.

Echobelly · 17/12/2024 18:18

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

Thank you! I am so grossed out by this phenomenon of the last few years whereby some people insist on immediately 'transvestigating' suspects, often on the flimsiest of grounds.

Honestly guys, if any suspects turn out to actually be trans you can rely on 90% of the mainstream press immediately screaming about it on your behalf so I wouldn't worry about it being 'covered up because of wokeness'

Do people have any idea what a small population trans people make up? The rate this lot report would mean practically every one would be a criminal.

Please keep your kink for trans criminals out of our faces in the meantime.

ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 18:06

JeremiahBullfrog · 17/12/2024 17:54

So the distribution of school shooters amongst the population is entirely random is it? Just as likely to be a 70-year-old grandmother with an active membership of the local book club as a disaffected 20-year-old male, is it?

In this case, a disaffected 15 year old girl radicalised by the far right

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 18:01

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

That's a highly important factor. It really isn't the only one.

Porcuporpoise · 17/12/2024 17:59

Disaffection, alienation, social isolation, and bullying by peers are all common factors in school shooters of either sex.

JeremiahBullfrog · 17/12/2024 17:54

SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:39

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

And it’s pointless trying to understand it or analyse it because nothing will ever be done.

So the distribution of school shooters amongst the population is entirely random is it? Just as likely to be a 70-year-old grandmother with an active membership of the local book club as a disaffected 20-year-old male, is it?

SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:39

MalagaNights · 17/12/2024 14:15

In every school shooter case the question of what mental health needs were known, what medication were they on and what was their belief system informing their motive should be openly known and discussed.

Only then can we really unedrtand the risk factors driving these shootings.

Trans should be regarded as a mental health issue, the medication should be regarded as potenially inlfuencing bvehaviour and the ideology as being one which can distrort reality and motivate hatred towards targetted groups.

The police are foolish to pretend non of this is relevant.

There’s only one relevant risk factor driving school shootings: the widespread availability of firearms.

And it’s pointless trying to understand it or analyse it because nothing will ever be done.

SuzieNine · 17/12/2024 17:36

NordicwithTeen · 17/12/2024 10:02

I just read the news and was thinking the same. Another unusual crime for a woman and the perpetrator has 2 names... It will be interesting to see how it pans out and how they will report it.

She wasn’t a woman. She was a 15 year old child. It’s not ‘interesting’. It’s a horrible tragedy.

YesterdaysFuture · 17/12/2024 16:57

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SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:50

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

You seem to be the only one who has an issue with this thread and are seeing this in an anti-trans context.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 16:49

No one has lied about anything on this thread.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:40

borntobequiet · 17/12/2024 16:30

The context of the opening post is the uncertainty about the sex of the perpetrator, and concerns about reporting crimes committed by men as being committed by women, as most posters have made clear.

No it was to cause fear and incite. I am not responding to this any longer it is shameful.

borntobequiet · 17/12/2024 16:30

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

The context of the opening post is the uncertainty about the sex of the perpetrator, and concerns about reporting crimes committed by men as being committed by women, as most posters have made clear.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:17

SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:16

I think the Police knowing all about the shooter, including potential reasons, mental health issues is important. Not sure why you'd disagree.

That isn't the context of the opening post, please don't expect others to be so blind!

SpunkyCritic · 17/12/2024 16:16

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

I think the Police knowing all about the shooter, including potential reasons, mental health issues is important. Not sure why you'd disagree.

DerekFaker · 17/12/2024 16:09

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

If you have read the full thread and this is your take I don't know how to help you.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 16:00

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/12/2024 15:37

Once more for those who still haven't understood: this isn't about hoping that the shooter is male, it's about being dismayed that we cannot trust the press and police to tell the truth consistently about a violent offender's sex.

Male violence is the biggest human rights crisis on the planet and being able to identify incidents of male violence and the far rarer incidents of female violence is important to be able to analyse and tackle why people commit these appalling crimes.

Christ I knew he liked to spin things here but this takes the biscuit.

A young teen murdered children and the first thought is oh how can I bring this to my argument.

Shame! Absolutely shame on ye all. The thread should be removed have respect for the dead.

user23124 · 17/12/2024 15:41

It is a girl, but this is the crap that the media is causing with it's dishonesty

YesterdaysFuture · 17/12/2024 15:40

StMarie4me · 17/12/2024 14:38

Were you disappointed? That the shooter wasn't trans I mean?

It certainly seems so.

Odd focus when people have died.

And do you now understand why accurate and truthful reporting is important?

The media have form in reporting about "women" committing serious crime, only for it to be revealed that it was a man with a recently created transgender identity?

No one trusts the media any more they say "a woman has committed...".

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/12/2024 15:37

StMarie4me · 17/12/2024 14:38

Were you disappointed? That the shooter wasn't trans I mean?

It certainly seems so.

Odd focus when people have died.

Once more for those who still haven't understood: this isn't about hoping that the shooter is male, it's about being dismayed that we cannot trust the press and police to tell the truth consistently about a violent offender's sex.

Male violence is the biggest human rights crisis on the planet and being able to identify incidents of male violence and the far rarer incidents of female violence is important to be able to analyse and tackle why people commit these appalling crimes.

Marblesbackagain · 17/12/2024 15:20

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ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 15:20

BigFrau · 17/12/2024 15:18

You've just contradicted yourself

that was to ButterflyHatched

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How?

ButterflyHatched · 17/12/2024 15:19

I am viewing hints that the shooter was a subscriber to a particular ideological position that some are tenuously describing as 'radfem' with a heavy pinch of salt right now. It's clearly radical but I certainly wouldn't describe it as identifiably feminist.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/12/2024 15:19

who is now confirmed to have been 15 years old and assigned female at birth

There is no such thing. Sex is not assigned at birth. She appears to be a 15 year old girl without any gender identity issues.

BigFrau · 17/12/2024 15:18

You've just contradicted yourself

that was to ButterflyHatched