Female school shooter?

I think it is clear that this speculation comes froms a place of wanting this crime to fit a narrative.

Nope. It's because [[https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/women-murders-men-ons-sarah-everard-b1815779.html 93% of murders are carried out by men and the press will lie by calling male murderers "women" on request, so when we are told that a woman has murdered, we question whether the press are lying again.

"Women" can include girls, explicitly stated in paragraph one of www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/212

This thread has reminded me that lots of people do just take these articles reporting women as having committed violent crimes at face value, which then leads the general public to believe there isn't any noticeable difference in the number of males vs females committing violent crimes (when obviously, in reality, there is).

When it comes to UK cases, this, combined with ONS data (particularly crime stats) having been irreparably contaminated by similar interpretations of what 'female' means, is incredibly frustrating.

Here is one recent example of a "woman", as reported by the Manchester Evening News. It turned out to be a man and the M.E.N. were later shamed into retracting the use of the word woman in the headline but kept it in the body of the article.

"A judge has jailed a ‘dangerous’ woman for violent physical and sexual abuse.

[...]

She pleaded guilty to assault by penetration, sexual assault, strangulation and threatening with a bladed article in relation to the victim."

And just what does this "woman" look like? Have a look below and judge for yourself if this is a woman?

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/dangerous-woman-jailed-violent-physical-30571646

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There was also this recent article as well which involved a "woman" being arrested for "The force has confirmed that a woman was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault [of a child], possession of a bladed article, and being drunk and disorderly."

Somehow, that sounds a lot more like what a man might do.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/woman-arrested-after-disturbance-cafe-30192742

These days you really do have to read between the lines in newspaper reports until you see a photo.

That thought would have never entered my mind 5-10 years ago. It just wouldn't have.

The thought did flash in my mind when I read the report, "woman, oh really? The penis having kind or what?"
But then I saw a photo of the perpetrator and it was obviously an actual woman.

That’s because 99% of people aren’t aware that the BBC lie about the sex of violent offenders all the time. Does the average person on the street know that Scarlett Blake is a man, for example?

This forum, and some informed people on Twitter, are the only people flagging up this persistent misinformation.

Trans should be regarded as a mental health issue, the medication should be regarded as potentially influencing behaviour and the ideology as being one which can distort reality and motivate hatred towards targeted groups.

This is absolutely right. It's the only same way of starting to cope with all the harms of this mass delusion.

I don't think it's fair to suggest this case is a one-off in terms of people wanting to know the sex of the perpetrator.

The first question people tend to ask nowadays is "well what do you actually mean by woman there?", as many of the violent crimes reported by mainstream news outlets as being committed by a woman turn out to have been committed by a biological male who identifies as a woman (presumably as that's what IPSO recommends).

Often, it's obvious from the photos if an adult's mugshot is published with the article, but given the circumstances and the fact this was a child, a confirmed photo wasn't readily available, so people asked for clarification.

When women commit child abuse or murder and it's on the news everyone just accepts she's an awful woman 99% of the time rather than instantly wondering if she's transgender.

Reasonably often those "women" are actually men, and I guess you're not on other social media sites much then, because it happens on them too.

Yeah well, that might be because we're better informed.

There is a movement to set the record straight about men who commit crimes as a woman, and are reported as a woman.

You can google it. 'These are not our crimes.'

Here is one example

Trans Crime UK document such cases, and they've produced a video, ._
This film presents over 70 male criminals from the UK who insist that they are women. They are not women, but their crimes are reported in the media as crimes committed by women. In Court they are referred to as 'she' and 'her'. Female names are used. Some of these men have had their crimes officially recorded as having been committed by a woman. Some have been sent to a women’s prison, to serve their sentences amongst female prisoners, who are given no choice in this.

https://mickhartley.typepad.com/blog/2020/09/not-our-crimes.html

When historians look back on this period, they may be surprised to find a sudden upsurge in violent crimes committed by women.

Edited to add that because women very rarely commit sex crimes, even a few men can skew the statistics.

I still don't think it's reasonable.

When women commit child abuse or murder and it's on the news everyone just accepts she's an awful woman 99% of the time rather than instantly wondering if she's transgender. This is the only place I've ever seen this happen.

I don't think it is reasonable to hear that a girl has committed a crime and instantly start asking if she is transgender.
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I think it is clear that this speculation comes froms a place of wanting this crime to fit a narrative.

If that narrative is "trans people are more likely to commit violent crime", then I can only speak for myself, but I feel like that's a fundamental misunderstanding on the part of people who subscribe to gender identity ideology in terms of what people with gender critical views believe.

When I ask whether someone reported as being female is also trans, I'm doing so because the assumption that I'm checking these events against is that "males are far more likely to commit violent crime". It's got nothing to do with trans people other than trying to determine the actual sex of the perpetrator. Obviously, if they aren't female and trans, then this doesn't fit this assumption about male violence being more common, and so this already shocking crime appears even more shocking as it's far more unusual for this kind of crime to be committed by a female. It's hard to make sense of a child killing people and to make sense of innocent children being killed, so any fact that might it make a tiny bit more sense is understandably sought after.

Because I don't subscribe to gender identity being anything more than a personal belief (which anyone is entitled to hold and express, like any other reasonable religious/philosophical belief within the usual parameters), I don't view trans people as a distinct class of people in terms of how their behaviour might differ from others'.

Sure, there might be subgroups of trans-identifying people on hormones or who haven't been able to access routine MH care who might be more at risk of certain behaviours. But the question people have been asking is about whether they were trans specifically, not about their medical or MH history.

While I can see why trans people see themselves as a separate category of people distinct from the group they would call 'cis' people, this distinction is only meaningful to people who subscribe to gender identity ideology. Therefore, given that I don't personally believe in that distinction, why would I view a trans person's actions through the lens of a belief system I don't believe in?

I don't think it is reasonable to hear that a girl has committed a crime and instantly start asking if she is transgender.

However it is reasonable, to ask, if a female is reported to have committed a type of crime generally committed by males, whether the reporting is accurate. This is because we have seen many examples of crimes reported to have been committed by “women”, who are not women but men.

Transwomen are over represented in men's prisons.

The infamous Swedish study found that women with a trans identity conformed to a higher rate of crime than women without one.

Women are routinely threatened with rape, sexual assault, violence and death by men with a trans identity.

And TRA led guidelines in the police, CPS, and media reporting mean that you can read an entire article using female pronouns, and referring to a woman, when in fact it's a man.

Prior to transgenderism, no-one speculated on the sex of a person committing a crime. But now you just can't trust it.

And we don't need to do anything to get trans people to fit the narrative, the violent, threatening and aggressive behaviour of their activists is setting the narrative without any 'fitting' required.

Because her name was one thing, and she was called by a completely different name, not a nickname.

I don't think it is reasonable to hear that a girl has committed a crime and instantly start asking if she is transgender.

There are so few transgender people in society that whether someone is trans or not never even crosses my mind when hearing about a person doing something or meeting a person unless it is visibly obvious.

I've only met three trans people in my entire life, one I knew before they transitioned so knew them anyway, one was obvious upon meeting them so didn't need to ask and one had already transitioned when I met her and she was so feminine I had no idea she was born male and would never have known if she hadn't told me. So that's precisely once in my entire life it would have been relevant to wonder if someone was transgender.

I think it is clear that this speculation comes froms a place of wanting this crime to fit a narrative.

She wasn't a woman. She was a vulnerable girl who had become radicalised by a poisonous far-right ideology.

They're getting girls to the 'murder' stage frighteningly young these days on both sides of the Atlantic.

I think the reason the trans rumour was flying around is that she had one name but was called by another, because it's usually a male crime & because newspapers now report incorrectly. All of which make it perfectly understandable to ask the question.

We have loads of disaffected 20 year old males here and yet no school shootings. Taking away the means is a lot more effective than trying to address the underlying motivation. But the US will never do either so the point is moot.

Just another" implies that women routinely shoot schoolchildren. We don't. Which is one of the reasons why accurate reporting of sex in these cases matters.

Exactly. A minuscule proportion of these shootings are carried out by women.

Just like the fake news that she was trans then I suppose.

Well yes, there are always rumours of everything flying around, but it looks like this one that she was influenced by this woman (who I have never heard of) was a deliberately fabricated screenshot.

No news outlet reported that the shooter was trans. Some people questioned the accuracy of the reporting of her as female for reasons I have already explained. Questioning the accuracy of a report isn't "fake news".

"Just another" implies that women routinely shoot schoolchildren. We don't. Which is one of the reasons why accurate reporting of sex in these cases matters.