CPS change the proposed 'sex by deception re gender' legal guidance

Well said. Never was the phrase "the word woman is taken" more appropriate. It does show how captured the CPS is by trans extremist ideology that they can use such offensive terminology.

• A person whose sex is male and gender identity is male (a non-trans man).
• A person whose sex is female and gender identity is female (a non-trans woman).

Not impressed with their definitions.
I am not a on-demand woman. I attend not a in-game woman (autocorrect).
I am trying to state that I am a woman, not a non-trans woman. I dont appreciate being defined by what I am not.

Allowed to have sex'

That is very revealing framing, re-classifying not being able to deceive, trick or mislead a potential partner as to the sex of the person they are entering into a sexual relationship/encounter with as not being allowed to have sex.

Respecting the person you are about to have sex with enough to be honest with them and gain full consent based on them having all the facts and information required to give that consent freely is a pretty basic human right, unbelievable that someone would argue for the opposite of that, to remove that person's human rights.

It was a transparent leverage attempt.

Yes. This has been explored across three threads without perception changing. Apparently healthy sex is about having sex with whoever is attractive to you regardless of their sex, only presentation matters, and it is abhorrent to expect that the person you are about to have sex with to care as to the sex you are.

Butters has not picked 46XY CAIS for no reason.

It is definitely an attempt at a 'gotcha'.

So… Butters & friends can trust a person enough to get naked with them in private, but don’t trust or respect that person enough to be honest with them about something very fundamental, because then the person might not want to have sex with them?

And Butters views Butterself as the victim here?

I read that phrasing and it comes across like a petulant child/adult complaining that they can’t do something they demand to be able to do but have been thwarted. It has entitlement seeping from every letter. I wonder if I have ever heard a female person in real life discuss sex in that way? I know some who dehumanise it like that but most I know don’t.

And to leverage another group’s medical condition adds to the impression.

'Allowed to have sex'

What a very odd framing.

It's not 'allowing'. You don't get a certificate that allows you to have sex with whomever you choose, as if the other party/parties were empty vessels with no agency.

The key word is 'consent'. Which comes from a potential partner. Which requires full and informed consent, which requires honesty.

“in order to be allowed to have sex”

The language is telling, it really is.

If being up front and honest about your (general you) body means the person you are about to have sex with would not consent, then that act of ‘sex’ is not yours to just take. Not one person on this planet owes you sex or should be used as a ‘prop’ for sex. There really seems to be entitlement highlighted in all these types of posts.

So 46XY CAIS women have to pretend to be men in order to be allowed to have sex as well? Gosh. What a sensible green and pleasant land.

This is certainly revealing.

Pressed the wrong button. Given that 0.018% at most have a DSD and there are a number of different DSDs, your 46XY CAIS friends are barely more common than hen's teeth. But hey, let's leverage them as well. Just get your head around the fact that sex by deception is a crime. Full stop. End of. Deceiving people into having sex with you when they believe that you are not the sex that you actually are is a crime. Just don't do it.

That is quite the moral morass.

I remember a clip from someone who immigrated to the UK as a male person but the documentation was female and they married someone and still hadn’t told them they were male. It was a remarkable story and I think it was on a documentary.

It is indeed.

You aren't looking forward to telling your friends not to get sex by deception? So you know they already are getting sex by deception? Crikey. That's quite a revelation.

ButterflyHatched · Today 17:42

I'm not looking forward to passing that news onto my 46XY CAIS friends.

Why? They're male and they know that perfectly well. Are they in the habit of duping heterosexual men into sexual intercourse with them, by pretending that they're female?

It's not just a serious sex offence, but if the duped man realises, it could go horribly badly.

Really, you are far from covering yourself in glory here.

Not sure why you’d want to infer these alleged “friends” are all currently being dishonest with sexual partners. Unless, of course, it’s an attempt to both derail the thread and force team DSD with TQ+ when the former has told the latter in no uncertain terms not to do that.

All I can manage is an almighty eyeroll 🙄 @Helleofabore

How very expected that you leverage someone else's difference of sex development to progress your own political agenda.

I'm not looking forward to passing that news onto my 46XY CAIS friends.

So, let's see where we are at.

Someone is of the mind that when they have sex, it is just with any person's body that they find attractive and that knowing something as basic and abiding as a person's sex category is meaningless for some people. And that this is something that some people believe should be normalised ignoring the fact that to many people this comes across as just someone dehumanising a person for sex, ie. making someone a prop for a sex session.

But, apparently, that is supposed to be seen as progressive and that knowing someone's sex category is supposed to be regressive.

No-one needs your medical history they just need to know the sex you are.

Yeah, I thought the 'broadcasting my medical history' thing was a bit of a overreaction! Just tell them what sex you are. If they fancy you they won't care anyway will they? Fake 'tache optional.