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To think that 'Female' shouldn't be the 4th option in a list of 5 when being asked about gender?

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Shufflebumnessie · 13/12/2024 21:02

I'm having a rubbish day and am in the midst of feeling annoyed about everything so I'm quite happy to be told I'm over reacting.
I've just completed a survey sent to me by Dominos pizza (following a recent order). At the end of the survey it asked for a few questions for 'classification purposes'. It then asked 'Please select your gender', the bit that really annoyed me was the the 'Female' option was 4th down the list of 5 options. Surely it should state male & female as the first two, and then the non-binary / third gender, Prefer to self describe, Prefer not to answer options?
I just feel angry that female has been relegated to 4th place. Obviously male was number 1 in the list !
Apologies if this isn't the right place to rant, it's just been one of those days.

OP posts:
Partridgewell · 14/12/2024 13:07

duc748 · 13/12/2024 21:30

There's never, ever, a 'I don't believe in gender identities' option, is there?

Sometimes if there's a box I write "I don't believe in gender identity but my sex is female." DH does the same (except obviously he writes male). Probably makes absolutely no difference, but makes me feel better.

Nikitaspearlearring · 14/12/2024 13:02

indignatio · 13/12/2024 21:33

Were the choices in alphabetical order?

Female would come before male, then!

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 14/12/2024 13:00

I'm just surprised they put one option below us.
I didn't think that was possible.

1apenny2apenny · 14/12/2024 12:57

I volunteer for a charity, it's mainly women who volunteer. They sent a big survey out last year and it was similar. Almost all other questions had alphabetical answers but not the 'gender' one, with female/woman at the bottom.

I emailed them and pointed it out, got nothing back. It really makes me cross for many reasons, they are a charity and can waste money on this stuff! I now won't fill in any surveys from them.

MounjaroOnMyMind · 14/12/2024 12:00

TitsInAbsentia · 13/12/2024 21:23

They probably wanted to put it 5th but were told not to be unreasonable 😖

Or told that it would only make middle class women of a certain age kick off.

WarmingClothesontheRadiator · 14/12/2024 12:00

Did they offer ‘do not believe in gender ideology’ as an option?

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 14/12/2024 11:57

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2024 21:07

Male is default human. Female is some subhuman other.

Yep. Totally get it.

We are less than second. We fall below males who identify as whatever.

You’ve hit the nail on the head.

GermanBite · 14/12/2024 11:51

Even the fact that Male is almost always the first option despite it not coming first alphabetically, and there being fewer men than women in the pop, always pisses me off.

I'm working on something at the moment where the target pop is 95% women. Guess which is listed first in the questionnaire!

HereForTheFreeLunch · 14/12/2024 11:47

I had this argument with a male colleague many years ago when there were just two options.
He told me very aggressively to wind my neck in as it was alphabetical order.
I took great satisfaction in telling him to check his alphabet.
After this for a while the office website did have it in alphabetic order (which I put in). I am sure they reverted it after I left though.

MarieDeGournay · 14/12/2024 10:50

Aerogender ... Amelia Earhart?Smile

To think that 'Female' shouldn't be the 4th option in a list of 5 when being asked about gender?
SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 14/12/2024 09:33

indignatio · 13/12/2024 21:33

Were the choices in alphabetical order?

Not if male was first…

CatVapour · 14/12/2024 09:30

PriOn1 · 14/12/2024 09:24

I also want to know this.

  1. Male
  2. ?
  3. ?
  4. Female
  5. ?

What on earth were 2 and 3?

Honestly, I think I would be sending them feedback and probably pushing the point that Female people probably have quite a lot of power when it comes to making decisions over where to buy food from.

Well OP says this: 'Female' option was 4th down the list of 5 options. Surely it should state male & female as the first two, and then the non-binary / third gender, Prefer to self describe, Prefer not to answer options?

So my guess is:

  1. Male
  2. Non-binary / third gender
  3. Prefer to self describe
  4. Female
  5. Prefer not to answer
PriOn1 · 14/12/2024 09:24

Fofftwenty21 · 14/12/2024 00:10

What were the other options?

I also want to know this.

  1. Male
  2. ?
  3. ?
  4. Female
  5. ?

What on earth were 2 and 3?

Honestly, I think I would be sending them feedback and probably pushing the point that Female people probably have quite a lot of power when it comes to making decisions over where to buy food from.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/12/2024 02:03

^Thanks to a previous poster for this gem of an article - If I go back to check who it was, I'll probably loose this post, that often happens😠

Was it you, Ereshkigalangcleg? ^

It was 😂 there are more comprehensive ones but that was the best I could do this morning

inkymoose · 14/12/2024 02:01

Needmoresleep · 14/12/2024 00:20

Dominos eh?

Perhaps they use the information to predict who might order which topping.

Which gender is likely to order pineapple on their pizza?

Aromagender perhaps?

"Aromagender is a xenogender that is strictly related to scents, smells and odor. This can be related to the smell of flowers, perfume, and much more." '

Xenogender

Xenogender is an umbrella term for non-binary gender identities that cannot be fully described through their relation to concepts typically used to describe gender...

https://lgbtqia.wiki/wiki/Xenogender

inkymoose · 14/12/2024 01:49

ApocalipstickNow · 14/12/2024 00:45

“3 Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings
and so on and so on...”

presumably that’s for those who identify as bubbly.

😂

inkymoose · 14/12/2024 01:48

MarieDeGournay · 14/12/2024 00:08

Pathetic effort! you're not even trying! Look what you're leaving out!😄

https://www.medicinenet.com/whatareethe722other_genders/article.htm
1 Abimegender: Associated with being profound, deep, and infinite. The term abimegender may be used alone or in combination with other genders.
2 Adamas gender: A gender that is indefinable or indomitable. People identifying with this gender refuse to be categorized in any particular gender identity.
3 Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings
and so on and so on...

It has to be a piss-take.. hasn't it?😨

Thanks to a previous poster for this gem of an article - If I go back to check who it was, I'll probably loose this post, that often happens😠

Was it you, Ereshkigalangcleg?

My brain just exploded

To think that 'Female' shouldn't be the 4th option in a list of 5 when being asked about gender?
ApocalipstickNow · 14/12/2024 00:45

“3 Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings
and so on and so on...”

presumably that’s for those who identify as bubbly.

Needmoresleep · 14/12/2024 00:20

Dominos eh?

Perhaps they use the information to predict who might order which topping.

Which gender is likely to order pineapple on their pizza?

Fofftwenty21 · 14/12/2024 00:10

What were the other options?

NPET · 14/12/2024 00:10

Totally agree.
F for female and first.
If they do it based on the number of people who answer surveys, we should still be first.

Except perhaps for surveys on urinals!

MarieDeGournay · 14/12/2024 00:08

smallchange · 13/12/2024 21:46

I'm trying to think of 3 genders that appear alphabetically before F. So far I've got:

Agender?
Bigender?
??

Catgender? Dullgender? Elfgender?

Pathetic effort! you're not even trying! Look what you're leaving out!😄

https://www.medicinenet.com/whatareethe722other_genders/article.htm
1 Abimegender: Associated with being profound, deep, and infinite. The term abimegender may be used alone or in combination with other genders.
2 Adamas gender: A gender that is indefinable or indomitable. People identifying with this gender refuse to be categorized in any particular gender identity.
3 Aerogender: Also called evaisgender, this gender identity changes according to one’s surroundings
and so on and so on...

It has to be a piss-take.. hasn't it?😨

Thanks to a previous poster for this gem of an article - If I go back to check who it was, I'll probably loose this post, that often happens😠

Was it you, Ereshkigalangcleg?

AstonsGerbil · 13/12/2024 21:50

TeachesOfPeaches · 13/12/2024 21:36

I applied for a job and the only options were cis male or cis female Confused

Oh god I hope you didn't apply? I can't be dealing with my work right now it's all ridiculous. We changed our demographic survey to represent sex better but now there's been a round of interviews done with young people and surprise surprise there was a gender binary person. Although they were male. They worked in a children and care setting and he was male 50% of the time but gender non etc rest of the time. We interviewed a lot of people, from both sexes. Of course the gender non one was chosen to be the one to showcase in the draft report. Even though what he was saying was essentially same as all the others. Bah.

Edited to remove some identifying stuff just on off chance my work reads FWR!

smallchange · 13/12/2024 21:46

indignatio · 13/12/2024 21:33

Were the choices in alphabetical order?

I'm trying to think of 3 genders that appear alphabetically before F. So far I've got:

Agender?
Bigender?
??

Catgender? Dullgender? Elfgender?

woffley · 13/12/2024 21:42

It annoys me not nearly as much as being asked my gender. I don't have a gender I have a sex.