Ban on puberty blockers to be made indefinite on experts’ advice

I think Wes comes across very well to the average bystander who isn't invested in "trans rights". He's certainly gone up in my estimation for how he's handled this.

"Sitting within the trans-umbrella is an array of disturbed and disturbing people"

As much as I pity these people why do political parties (and other organisations) still elevate them to positions of power.

GM is a Labour Councillor, sits on various Labour Party committees and was a selected parliament candidate before choosing to step down.

Georgia Meadows, whether conscious or unconscious of it, is using emotional blackmail to try and over-ride reasoned decision making.

Sitting within the trans-umbrella is an array of disturbed and disturbing people. There are many who experience gender distress and are overwhelmed by their thoughts and feelings and may consider suicide a tempting solution to stop the anguish. These people need psychological help and a law relating to puberty blockers is not the cause or solution to their mental health crisis. There are others who experience narcissistic rage when exposed to a boundary and the 'new' law has enraged them to an extent that they are trying to manipulate in any way they can, including emotional blackmail.

WS did well to point out that his decision will cause distress to many, and whilst he would like to avoid this, it is unavoidable.

Gender distress impacts whole families and the belief that everything would be fine if only puberty was paused is a false lifeline, but one that many cling to. These families need and should be accessing support to help them all navigate the very real challenges they struggle to manage.

Important article on the debate within Labour exploring the division between Streeting, LGBT Labour and Labour for Trans Rights.

NHS puberty blockers ban: Fresh party trans row as LGBT+ Labour sounds alarm – LabourList
https://labourlist.org/2024/12/lgbt-labour-trans-puberty-blockers-ban-wes-streeting/

The article mentions Meadows, but doesn't mention unpleasant Meadows threat to commit suicide yesterday on X because of this decision. As we all know this kind of suicidal ideation is awful, and also untrue. Gender distreessed youth are not going to kill themselves in droves no matter how much people like Meadows push them towards it.

Georgia Meadows
@MsGrgaMeadows
This is a step towards systematically ingraining the indignities that trans people in this country face. I cannot hope to describe the depth of depression this policy will cause.

People will consider suicide, I already am. Many will attempt it.

LGBT Labour and Labour for Trans Rights are deeply divided and Streeting is coming out way ahead.

So what? They don't think it's necessary for there to be a word for female people, they don't think female people who want to have a word for themselves should be allowed to do so, they think female people who say no to male people in their spaces are the oppressors, and they think Monroe Bergdorf is an appropriate person to represent women. So they can get fucked, quite frankly. They're sure as hell not doing anything to look out for my human rights. Only yours.

The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights believes males are a marginalised minority? Really? I'd like to see the evidence for that.

So, you are admitting Cass did not 'lead generations of children into despair' then? You agree with her?

And in Australia, the Walkley Award is won by 'Scars of Regret' - reported in the Guardian no less.

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/gallery/2024/oct/11/a-year-in-focus-walkley-award-photographic-finalists-2024-in-pictures

We've heard the personal testimonies of quite a few who did take PBs and how it destroyed their health and life.

So you admit Cass didn't 'send generations of kids into despair' then?

Not all women who took Thalidomide had children with deformities. Thalidomide was very beneficial to many, many women. Lets bring it back. Its 'bigoted' to ban it outright.

Same with lobotomies.

How far do you want to go?

Except there is NOT...ONE study or bit of evidence that supports their use. NOT....ONE. And you know it, which is why you can't post any.

All the decades of evidence prove overwhelmingly that puberty blockers are very dangerous and cause serious health problems. That proof, is overwhelming.

Hence, the move to ban them. Based on SCIENCE and MEDICAL EVIDENCE. And you, cannot deny that.

Its PRECISELY because they have spoken to parents, to children, to clinicians and experts and look at the studies that they HAVE arrived at this decision.

You just don't like that the facts from all of these sectors led to the overwhelming consensus that PBs are dangerous.

You're the ghouls. And you will one day soon pay for advocating this dangerous sterilising and castrating and butchering ideology. You will pay.

That’s not a slur. “Trans women” are men. I don’t believe in gender identity and therefore I don’t use the phrase. I use the phrase teams identified men because that’s what they are.

answer the question, don’t avoid it. Quote the UN with links.

Again, males are not 'marginalised' nor a 'minority'. We've already been through this.

And the one wanting to take rights and protections away from an ACTUAL vulnerable and marginalised group is you.

This isn't about you. This is about children who do not have DSDs, who would develop into healthy, fertile adults if they weren't prescribed this harmful medication.

I don't have a great deal in common with people who never experienced gender incongruence in childhood but I believe they should also be allowed to access treatment if they need it.

As a male with a DSD, you have absolutely nothing at all in common with girls who suddenly decide in adolescence that they want to be boys due to social contagion, as a result of sexual abuse or because they are same-sex attracted. They don't need any treatment other than support with their mental health.

Once again: this isn't about you. You have no understanding of what is happening to these girls. Leave the discussion about them to women who have far greater understanding, because we were once teenage girls ourselves and can identify to some extent with the thoughts and experiences that lead them down this path. You have no idea.

If you want to discuss whether these drugs should ever be given to children with DSDs, I suggest you start your own thread. This one is about the vast majority of children who don't have DSDs, so have nothing in common with your very unusual experience.

The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights disagrees with you

Link please. Also, the UN Special Rapporteur against Violence against Women and Girls disagrees with you.

Sorry mate, not engaging if you're going to move onto the slurs.

Do quote them please with links.

trans identified men have more apparent rights in the uk than women

Before the age of 25 you don’t lack the maturity to make these decisions.

spell out for me the difference between telling an anorexic they are fat and giving them weight loss drugs

and telling an adolescent they really are the opposite sex saying puberty blockers will solve their problems.

What is the very clear difference?

The UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights disagrees with you

No. I was already halfway there before being prescribed them.

No I don't.

I can see a very clear difference. If you cannot then I recommend leaving these difficult decisions to those who are capable of doing so.

I was more than capable of informed consent. By the age of 25 I was a qualified professional. Don't be ridiculous - we recruit people into organisations that train them to make life or death decisions in combat at the age of 16 and send them to active warzones at the age of 18.