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"My Husband Tried to BECOME Me" - Heretics Interview with Trans Widow

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UtopiaPlanitia · 09/12/2024 18:03

Andrew Gold's YT channel has this interview going live at 19.00 UK time today and I thought I'd start a thread in case anyone would like to discuss the video.

A bit of background regarding this interview:

In his recent video with Blair White, Andrew Gold mentioned to White that he had interviewed Tracy Shannon a few hours before filming his interview with White. And Gold told White that he and Shannon had a disagreement about trans issues, that he believed Shannon was very "hurt by this" and "against all this", and so he "gave her a bit of push back".

And now that the interview with Tracy is coming out, I'm going to be interested to see if Gold really was more sympathetic to Blair White in his previous interview than he was when interviewing Tracy Shannon.

CREEPY: My Husband Tried to BECOME Me - Trans Widow Tracy Shannon (4K)

Tracy Shannon’s couple’s therapist said she was a lesbian because she’d married a ‘woman’ - her husband who one day started trying to BE her. She explains ho...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLRMKrotJZM

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TinselAngel · 02/01/2025 14:54

Enough4me · 02/01/2025 14:40

There should be more early support for those who cannot accept the bodies they were born with and a move away from sexualising children. The trans stuff just needs to fade as it's an unhealthy way to deal with mental health issues.

Tinsels's law, in any discussion about trans widows at least 50% of it will be taken up by speculation about why perpetrators do what they do.

Enough4me · 02/01/2025 14:40

There should be more early support for those who cannot accept the bodies they were born with and a move away from sexualising children. The trans stuff just needs to fade as it's an unhealthy way to deal with mental health issues.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 02/01/2025 14:05

NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2024 08:09

I think they’re trying to preserve their current lifestyle by influencing the debate to see them as true trans who should be allowed exceptions.

Absolutely. Pinching this to point out to others.

So far as I can see, almost every publicly ‘gender critical’ trans ally has been arguing that aspects of gender identity ideology are crazy apart from the aspects to which they espouse. They all seem to think that others have taken things too far but they are espousing gender identity at just the right level and in just the right way.

It appears to me that what is behind the lobbying of some trans allies of the GC cause is a worry that the ideologues who take gender identity ideology too far will ruin things for everyone else and so they want to be allied to the GC movement to ensure that they can steer things in a way that allows them to continue living as they’re living.

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NotBadConsidering · 28/12/2024 08:09

I think they’re trying to preserve their current lifestyle by influencing the debate to see them as true trans who should be allowed exceptions.

Absolutely. Pinching this to point out to others.

DeanElderberry · 28/12/2024 07:56

'sex mimic' is a good term, describing what is happening without immediately assuming a motivation

Enough4me · 28/12/2024 00:07

It's double-standards.
A man kills a woman the papers report how his neighbours liked him for putting the bins out, or say he was dealing with anxiety. Imagine women being excused in the same way? No, me neither.

Why should we be told to 'be kind' when men tell us our vaginas don't make us women but their lipstick qualifies them as women? Because men have to be believed above women.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 27/12/2024 23:48

You make an excellent point Sparkly.

I find it mindboggling that some of the wives/partners are standing up for their men to the point of having given statements in court to attest to their man's 'good' character 🤷‍♀️

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Lovethesparklylights · 27/12/2024 18:02

I bet most of the wives/partners of those 50+ men sentenced alongside Dominique Pelicot would have argued that their fella was not a danger to women and was harmless too.

That case has shown just how many depraved men there are in any given small ordinary place and precisely why NO male should be in a female space no matter how they identify.

RedToothBrush · 13/12/2024 15:23

Tinsel is a reminder of the men that don't want to be kind.

It's inconvenient.

Therefore Tinsel is a target to be silenced.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 13/12/2024 15:19

I’m really glad that Trans Widows (and other women) are managing to drag the info about AGP into the public and political discussion.

It gets more airtime in discussions on UK media these days, especially since the general election in the summer, but It seems that America is also waking up to the information that this is not just a civil rights issue and that there are women and children who are being harmed by men claiming to want to live as their authentic selves. This week, I’ve seen Nancy Mace tweeting that people need to look it up and in the last year Megyn Kelly has publicised it as much as she could.

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TinselAngel · 13/12/2024 13:42

The idea that there was a space waiting and I just swanned in and took it over is hilarious

stealthsquirrelnutkin · 13/12/2024 09:20

TinselAngel · 12/12/2024 17:01

'owned this space'

ie carved out this space in the face of ongoing opposition.

With admirable strength and determination.

They really hate that you haven't been broken, and that you continue to shine a light on their behaviour towards their wives and children, so the whole world is able to spot the patterns and lies.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 12/12/2024 20:51

TinselAngel · 12/12/2024 17:01

'owned this space'

ie carved out this space in the face of ongoing opposition.

🎯

SinnerBoy · 12/12/2024 17:48

UtopiaPlanitia · 09/12/2024 23:51

Notes from watching the remaining video:

Bloody Hell, that was some grim reading.

TinselAngel · 12/12/2024 17:01

'owned this space'

ie carved out this space in the face of ongoing opposition.

DrSpartacular · 12/12/2024 16:16

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2024 15:55

'owned this space'

FFS.

Why aren't women (plural) allowed anything for themselves?

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It's infuriating that when you* do complain about what a group/org is doing you get told to set up your own, and then when you do do that, you get a load of shit for not getting permission and for distracting from the "important" work.

An example is when the original Repeal The GRA website was set up. It pissed off a lot of groups/orgs/individuals supposedly in the same fight.

You can't win.

*royal you

RedToothBrush · 12/12/2024 15:55

Datun · 12/12/2024 13:33

The woman behind Trans Widows Voices has owned this space for way too long.

lol. Over 6000 posts by dozens of women over seven years on this site alone would beg to differ.

No one is ever surprised how far people will go to shut her up, though.

'owned this space'

FFS.

Why aren't women (plural) allowed anything for themselves?

TinselAngel · 12/12/2024 15:46

See the resources section of the TWV website for stuff by other trans widows, including Tracy:

www.transwidowsvoices.org/useful-resources

Datun · 12/12/2024 13:35

DrSpartacular · 12/12/2024 13:30

Poppycock.

ETA: aah, posted just as that egregious post was deleted.

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and it looks like the poster has been moved entirely. Presumably a PBP.

Some people really don't like the concept of women supporting women on a feminist board of a largely female site.

Datun · 12/12/2024 13:33

The woman behind Trans Widows Voices has owned this space for way too long.

lol. Over 6000 posts by dozens of women over seven years on this site alone would beg to differ.

No one is ever surprised how far people will go to shut her up, though.

DrSpartacular · 12/12/2024 13:30

Poppycock.

ETA: aah, posted just as that egregious post was deleted.

GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 12/12/2024 13:23

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This is a baseless smear of another poster who takes more than her fair share of abuse from all sides. Really out of order to post this kind of nonsense. There's not a shred of evidence of what's claimed here.

TinselAngel · 12/12/2024 13:11

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This is absolutely not true. Also Tracy and I get on very well, despite being from very different political backgrounds and have cooperated on projects on the past.

theilltemperedqueenofspacetime · 12/12/2024 10:35

UtopiaPlanitia · 10/12/2024 14:23

From reading comments under the video, other people are also of the same opinion as AG that Tracy shouldn’t criticise or refuse to work with trans people such as Buck Angel and Blair White.

The reasoning seems to be that White and Angel are rational trans people who realise they haven’t literally changed sex and that both stand up to their community and so need our support.

I would argue that neither is rational purely because they recognise they haven’t literally changed sex, both are saying transition is bad but it worked for me which is an incoherent message. Both also continue to use opposite sex spaces and have opposite sex documentation and they want the right to continue doing that. I don’t think either of these people is standing up to their community for women and children, I think they’re trying to preserve their current lifestyle by influencing the debate to see them as true trans who should be allowed exceptions.

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they’re trying to preserve their current lifestyle by influencing the debate to see them as true trans who should be allowed exceptions

and ..... there it is.

Mirrormirrormirrormirror · 12/12/2024 10:04

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