Protest the BBC giving a man “women’s footballer of the year” December 17th

I apologise, I do tend to get too worked up over language.

Er no. She should not be on the list. Littler is wrong. Cannot understand how the BBC can have a world category for just football.

@ILikeDungs Do not lecture me! You know what I meant. Honestly - lighten up. Other footballing women are available that are women! Ok?

I just found this...
https://www.change.org/p/jasmin-paris-should-be-on-the-shortlist-for-bbc-sports-personality-of-the-year
Probably too late....

Agreed!

Yes she did the Pennine way race while expressing breast milk. She's also a vet. She's an absolute heroine! The Barkley is unbelievably tough and for a woman to finish is just amazing.

(Can you tell I'm a bit in awe of her?! 🤣)

Yes, she should be, it was an astonishing achievement. But it's also a personalty award and she's not very well known. They should scrap the personality bit and do it on achievement.

Is jasmine the spine race runner who held the record ( male and female ) for a while whilst breastfeeding her child ?

As an aside, I just checked out the nominees for SPOTY. How the actual fuck is Jasmin Paris not on there??!!

(If you don't know who she is, google Jasmin Paris Barkley Marathon and prepare to have your mind blown. You're welcome).

SPOTY is supposed to be about personality too though, and Humphries, while brilliant, isn't as impactful as Littler on that front, he's just nice. Cavendish should have been on the list, and definitely has a personality....

Michael Owen should never have won it for personality based reasons.

I cannot remember the BBC having a world footballer of the year of any sex. Did they line up Lionel Messi for it? I think these awards should be organised only by fifa. The bbc is just a minnow in this and now they have added in this footballer knowing the issues that will arise.

I have given up on SPOTY these days too. It’s become a bit of a joke. Eg the darts world champion is Luke Humphries. He’s English. Yet Luke Littler is shortlisted! It’s not a feminist issue but it’s symptomatic of the stupid BBC.

TizerorFizz: There are plenty of other worthy women!

Actually there are plenty of women worthy of winning the award, an award for women, ahead of Banda, who must be disqualified because he is a man. Not 'plenty of OTHER worthy women'.

Language is important. If you say 'she' when you are talking about a 'he' you are lost and the facts are lost. This is a man with a DSD who has gone through full male puberty who is playing women's football and winning women's awards. Don't fudge this.

If someone is under the impression this player is female, this looks like a phenomenal and inspiring sportswoman well deserving of a vote.

Whether the results would be the same if it were clear this is a man with a DSD is a very good question.

(I believe there were a lot of social media campaigns also)

Bonmati should have won it. Or Caroline Graham Hansen.

But I don't think the BBC rigged it so much as the TRAs did, despite probably knowing as much about women's football as I do about moto gp. He shouldn't have been on the list at all though.

There is no way the public voted for this, this stinks of BBC wokeism

If you don't realise how serious this all is, then you are really not paying attention.

The BBC deliberately walked into this by including Banda on its five player shortlist. They could fairly plausibly have omitted her. even the guardian's recent list put her at seventh (https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2024/dec/03/the-100-best-female-footballers-in-the-world-2024)

Both transfer and goalscoring records strongly imply that the DSD players are a lot better than suggested by the guardian list, suggesting to me that the compilers of that list deliberately made an adjustment of some sort, as well they might.

I can be angry at more than one thing at once, self-righteous scold not rate anger though, so your safe.

Just a reminder that the BBC didn’t vote for her, the public did. Can’t you find something else to be angry about?

Excellent. Any of the UK's hundreds of deserving actual women playing football should have won instead of putting everyone through this pathetic political power play. What's the point of a competition if you just give anyone (who doesn't even meet the entry criteria) the trophy?

It’s the Women’s Footballer of the Year award and unfortunately Banda is ranked as the second most expensive women’s footballer of 2024.

The most expensive is Rachael Kundananji, also from Zambia, and also ruled ineligible to play in the women’s Africa Cup of Nations by the Confederation of African Football on the basis of ‘naturally high testosterone’.

Funny that.

I don't believe Banda has got to this point without knowing they have an unfair advantage and should not be competing. So I don't feel it is personal, or unfair, to protest their decision and where it has led to. Presumably they were aware of the nomination and happy to stand. I would support an in person or virtual protest here.

If Banda is a women could you explain how their testosterone levels were so far out range that they were ineligible for the Africa Cup of Nations even after taking medication to reduce their testosterone?

ps no women has testosterone in the normal male range even with conditions like PCOS.

I want them banned because they have a sex based advantage due to their DSD.

@fromorbit thanks so much