Intersex

I understood that skeletal feminisation is possible if the exposure is started at a young-enough age

That's interesting. I would struggle to believe this happens.

I was partly basing this on CAIS individuals, who have feminised skeletons (under the influence of aromatised endogenousT). But I don't think boys should be given œstrogen deliberately, so the point is moot.

‘Cis’ is offensive, it relegates men and women to subsets of their own class and infers that women or men are defined by regressive sex stereotypes.

@Tootsurly

I obviously don't know how old you are but you come across as as a wonderful young woman.

Both of my kids have diagnosed ‘disorders’ btw (one has ADHD and ASD, the other has an extremely rare Immune Disorder, so rare that naming it is practically a self dox) but neither is intrinsically less valuable as a person due to that disorder.

Renaming their conditions to take the disorder bit out wouldn’t improve their lives, so I personally believe it’s better to explain the medical meaning of disorder and work on emotional resilience skills.

Fannying about with language makes it seem like something is being done whilst disguising a lack of actual action.

The DSD campaigners I know often prefer ‘Difference’ or ‘Variation’ to ‘Disorder’.

I am somewhat sympathetic to the psychological aspect of being a person with a disorder but at the same time it’s a medical descriptor, not a value judgement on the person who has it.

Disease
Disorder
Condition
Syndrome

https://www.verywellhealth.com/disease-vs-disorder-5092243

’Intersex’ is meaningless medically and meaningless socially, because so many transgender identifying people claim to be ‘intersex’.

Whereas the conditions grouped together as DSDs have medical definitions and cannot be meaningfully claimed by individuals without the physical traits that lead to the various diagnoses.

What is wrong with what I said?

The Sex Redefined article and the infographic which many of us have seen before are mentioned, as is Dr Emma Hilton (dear God, I hope I've got her name and title right this time, unlike last night!) in this article -

https://www.realityslaststand.com/p/sex-is-not-a-spectrum

Even the author herself says that there are only 2 sexes.

https://x.com/ClaireAinsworth/status/888365994577735680

I can't say what she was meaning to express in that article, but she hasn't redefined sex in any way. So even if you have 'feminine characteristics' you are still one sex or the other.

Of course they did. It was written specifically to appeal to them.

Are you in the US? (A PP mentioned that it's not considered offensive there)

There seem to be some differences between the UK and US on terms that are considered offensive. I think I'm right that retard and retarded aren't offensive terms in the US when talking about people with learning difficulties. They very much are here.

I'm curious as to what I've said that's circular.

TBF, I accidentally did it myself. I asked you if you knew at birth or "at puberty" about your DSD. Which makes me a bit of an idiot... given I'd just been talking about lack of puberty on exactly this subject i.e. in Swyer (and CAIS). Thank you for taking my numpty comment in good faith.

I will RTFT and pull out what didn't make sense from my POV. Others have already called some of it out.

I don't profess to have a full working knowledge of DSDs. I just learned a shit load during the Olympics because it was such a door opener of a topic. Watching males with 5-ARD punch women in the face, with the president of the IOC auditioning for some kind of Gaslighter of the Year competition was next level dystopia. It was a peak peaking opportunity to call out some of the utter madness that much of the world is still wrapped in. Thankfully several big GB Olympic names stepped out of the shadows to call it out publicly e.g. Barry McGuigan, Nicola Adams, Mark Forster and Matthew Pinsent. Obviously Sharron Davies and Martina Navratilova had been doing so before this too.

I hadn't really expected there to be so many very knowledgeable people on here - I'm far more used to coming across comments from people who know nothing other than the usual uninformed cliches about hermaphroditisim etc, so I was perhaps a bit prejudiced in my expectations!

There's a lot of knowledge on this board. There's also a lot of caution and sceptism. Especially around Swyer in particular. Nobody knows who anyone is online so prejudice is part of the deal.

Nonsense. Sex is defined by gamete type and this is consistent across all higher plants and animals.

You need to RTFT. You might learn something,

@Tootsurly thank you for answering that. It's a very personal question and I can't imagine any of that time was easy.

Whilst it's true that cross-sex gamete production is impossible, I understood that skeletal feminisation is possible if the exposure is started at a young-enough age

That's interesting. I would struggle to believe this happens. Unfortunately the amount of misinformation (and disinformation) that's out there really doesn't help. It's a shame we can't magically pull Emma Hilton into the thread to address that one. She was sooooooo good at answering all the questions during the Olympics.

@MyrtleStrumpet I fully agree re their entitlement. It's appalling that mediocre males with 5-ARD get celebrated as brilliant females.

@ChaChaChooey well said.

The issue with Caster and Khelife, and indeed trans-identifying men who participate in women's sports, is that they can't win in male sports. This isn't a matter of "we're women, let us play", it's more, "we can't win in men's sports and that's unfair, so let us win in women's sports".

There is no way I have ever been able to go for a run as a fun thing to do or to keep fit, probably due to genetic reasons that I won't go into. I would love to have that kind of energy, but it's never going to happen. I accept it. These men don't accept that they are mediocre so they steal from women.