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A bit of rewriting history going on- MN didn't exist before 2020?

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GrumpyMenopausalWombWielder · 02/12/2024 14:29

https://x.com/janeclarejones/status/1863356570991743187?s=46

"This is not how the history went. The majority of the faction that is now known as the ultras turned up after 2020, largely in 2022/23. The bulk of the original grassroots of the movement were left wing feminists. That is, what happened is that a group of people who turned up later attacked the core of the original movement who had stood against trans ideology, in the first place, by themselves. And who, quite understandably, were pretty pissed off."

You'd think the fact one of the people involved in the FWS court case was a MNetter, would avoid this selective rewriting of history on who did what & when, as well as why women are still pushing for repeal of the GRA despite all the very learned professionals telling them to stop being so stupid and quiet down on that.

All the early meetings, Venice Allen ones & WPUK, were linked on these very pages, and MNetters made the bulk of the women attending. I remember getting to know people & we all eventually confirmed who we were on MN back then. This attempt to frame women who just won't shut up about repeal of the GRA as Jenny come latelys who had nothing to do with any achievements or wins, when so much of the grassroots movement were women who gathered here, raised consciousness here, organised here & networked here, is just wrong.

I'm getting pretty tired of the narrative being pushed that it's only women who are late to this, who are right wing, bigots, trolls or keyboard warriors who did feck all & have achieved nothing, who keep pushing repeal. I'd much rather the substance of the arguments were tackled instead of the endless high school level rhetoric that follows from someone questioning law fare tactics.

The GRA is bad legislation. It was when it was brought in & remains so now - even more so. Questioning why it is beyond touch is no more an ultra position than refusing to bastardise language or deny reality. But wiping out the place Mumsnet has in the story of how women fought back is a particularly stupid thing to do.

Mumsnet don't even want to be seen as playing the part in this that this place did - they certainly tried to suppress women's language & opinions, and banned lots of women who stood firm. They didn't slope off never to be seen again. They got active & were the backbone of the grassroots movement that's shifted the dial in the U.K.

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Melroses · 02/12/2024 15:13

Well it was definitely here and thriving when I looked in, probably around 2017.

DrSpartacular · 02/12/2024 15:07

It just highlights how siloed women like JCJ are that they are so ignorant and dismissive of the women doing stuff before they came along.

AlisonDonut · 02/12/2024 15:06

JKJ does like to control the narrative. She likes to pretend it was all her and her cronies and the meanie ultras are the latecomers to the party.

Rather than it being the complete opposite way around.

AdventCarols · 02/12/2024 15:02

That all sounds very playground politics. ‘We were here first, go somewhere else to play’

RoyalCorgi · 02/12/2024 14:49

Am I missing something? She doesn't mention Mumsnet.

I'd agree that many of the "ultras" were around back in 2017, including Venice Allen.

Surf2Live · 02/12/2024 14:41

I first heard of MN back in about 2020 as a hotbed of "bigotry and transphobia". I recall vaguely wondering why a chat forum where mums gathered was so bad but didn't think more of it.

So it was definitely on form prior to 2020!

When I first came here and started reading, I was so impressed by the level of clarity on gender ideology and the intelligent discussion. I was intimidated to be fair, it took me a while of lurking and reading before I posted anything.

So glad I found this place.

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