Transgender Activists Question The Movement's Confrontational Approach

I thought this was a good takedown of the arguments the article and its subjects use: https://hysteretic.substack.com/p/transgender-activists-should-also

As well as Brianna Wu having some sort of meltdown on TwiX for the last month or so (and of course referencing Gamergate, Wu always has to reference Gamergate for attempted cred 🙄), Caitlyn Jenner is broadcasting intensely that we mustn’t hurt the “true trans” when dealing with the problems caused by trans activism.

Sall Grover reposted and commented on one of Jenner’s tweets:
https://x.com/salltweets/status/1861881660238860306

“See, this is the issue: “real trans people”. It is an unfalsifiable claim. Literally any man claiming to be a woman can claim to be a “real trans person”. That is the problem. It’s how we got here! Pushing the concept of a “real trans person” will continue every one of the issues @CaitlynJenner claims to want to solve.

It’s history repeating itself. It’s doing the exact same thing but expecting a different result. It’s the definition of insanity. I also note that he don’t mention “men in women’s spaces” on his list and can only conclude there is a reason for that: he considers himself a “real trans person” and “real trans people” (who are actually just men, like every other man) are entitled access to women’s spaces.

NO.

Jenner part of the problem, not part the solution.”

Which is why in Ireland they were able to sneak in the Gender Act on the coattails of the same sex marriage act. Women like me had no clue that it was even happening. It was never publicly debated or discussed properly. The implications especially.

Honestly. Women having to spend bloody time countering the fevered imaginings of these ridiculous, sexist, woefully ignorant and inexperienced incel men - makes my blood boil.

"As for issues like drag queen story hour, a lot of people told me these are distractions for the movement. Some transgender people also find it offensive to link drag queens to their cause because drag queens are not usually transgender, but actually gay men who dress up as women for the purposes of entertainment."

🤣🤣🤣

And the comments in the article, even those who are finally waking up to the terrible damage of transgenderism, don't mention misogyny, sexism.

They know that the ideology has damaged the Democrat party, and that rape and death threats probably wasn't best way to persuade voters, but other than that, they still don't get it.

Quite.

Let's remove all the outrageous demands, because I'd love to see what is left.

The link opens fine for me, just to reassure the OP.

Oh that take down was brilliant.

The crap that that particular male posted was a beacon of truth. Not for the words that were posted. Fuck that. No. Because it showed what wildfirewhisper posted. How fucking misogynist could a person get?

And the old ‘you just need to get to know us’ trope. Actually, all the tropes. The dealing with testosterone, the chemical imbalance, the get to know us, you have no idea what it is like, our lovely friends tell us….. and on and on. It was a great lesson in emotional manipulation. It was a proverbial bingo card!

And it kicked off because women said ‘no! We don’t want you in our toilets’.

plus ca change.

I've always been puzzled by the 'flies prefer honey to vinegar' adage, it's my observation that flies prefer bullshit, but I'm not a fly so...

When publications like the NYT acknowledge that the “kids will kill themselves if they don’t get this treatment!” narrative is the most abusive, manipulative and evil bullshit of an entire ideology of such, then I might think people are seeing the light.

https://archive.ph/oXz3l I think this is the one. archive.ph said it wasn't saved, so I asked it to save it and it redirected me to this. 😕

So someone's figured that emotional manipulation doesn't work because it's abusive?

Can't wait now to hear the rational arguments why we should allow males in our spaces and sports, and why we should be pro-mutilating children.

Bring them on........

Brianna Wu. The reasonable transsexual. A takedown:
https://x.com/WildfireWhisper/status/1861581824364810512

The other thing they are missing is LGB organisations including the whole of the 'trans community', not just the LGB ones.

No doubt there have always been 'trans' gay people - very gender non conforming people who social refered to themselves as the opposite sex. But straight middle age men werent, and the teen trans girl never existed.

Then they push private gay culture onto the mainstream. Drag queens spouting misogyny are everywhere, pride parades parade kinks.

So normies are seeing a community that doesn't have boundaries in term of who is included and behaviour - they promote fetishes at the same time as including young girls and boys.

And the fact they refuse to see this is in itself a big problem.

I think ‘turning a blind eye’ is too kind.

The shitty misogyny is part of the movement. The whole concept of gender is intrinsically misogynist.

What is unsurprising to most of us is that inevitably, the vast majority, bar a very few, of male people with transgender identities all end up with variations of the same line. That is ‘I still want to use female toilets and there is nothing you can say to stop me! And little you can do to stop me!’

No matter how supportive they are on the surface and how moderate they are on some issues, that end point tends to be sticky. Just look at Brianna Wu even in the past month. From the emotionally manipulative ‘but you all want me to be assaulted’ to the equally emotionally manipulative ‘I know I am not quite like you other women but yous all don’t know anything about the pain of not being able to present how you want to or to live with not expressing yourself like we poor men’s do!’ (paraphrased obviously).

It really is like a constant replay of most of the male posters with transgender identities we have had post similarly on MN FWR.

And yes, sadly it is those ‘reasonable’ male people who shape the policies. That is why I laugh in the face of despair when any poster tries the ‘but you should be moderate and reasonable, you are too extreme’.

'You lose support when anyone asking basic questions is categorized as transphobic.'

This, in a nutshell.

Also turning a blind eye while every shitty misogynist leaps on board, happy to get the chance to attack women without consequence (at times with reward) has done the movement no favours (as noted by others upthread).

Here's a gift link for the full article and comments for those who wish, the author wades in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/26/us/politics/transgender-activists-rights.html?unlocked_article_code=1.dU4.v0Rj.s57_Z1JZqqcU&smid=url-share

I also had the displeasure of reading this article today
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5952727/2024/11/27/bos-nation-considers-name-change/?searchResultPosition=1 I can't share it but perhaps someone more clever than I can create an archive link.

Yes. The ones who wrote the policies for their unions & got involved with women’s groups.

I saw that article yesterday and really disliked the NYT for it.

MAJOR reverse ferret from them.

Dreadful journalist - no mention of the insane violence promised to JKR or her children, or the doxing and intimidation, or the deliberate campaigns for people to lose their jobs. Weak.

The next step will be to send out the women - as in, female born male identifying with a "see? we are nice" message.

NYT have been dreadful on this topic. On the hand they bleat "follow the science " on Climate Change but on this "follow the feelings".

No courage and no consistency.

Also (forgive me, I am ranting now), their readers HATE gender woo. The comments come fast and sensible. So much so, they often turn them off.

It's too late, they keep showing us who they are and it never gets any prettier.

So they want to switch to the "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" approach. Too late. This only works in the long term if you have a logical argument to begin with - which they don't.

To stretch the analogy: their house of cards is beginning to collapse because the TRAs have overreached themselves. Even the most myopic among us are seeing that this is a targeted anti-woman, anti-child movement where the vanishingly small number of people with the psychological problem of gender dysphoria are catching strays and being damaged alongside the TRAs real targets - women and children.

Agreed. The exchanges below the line under articles about all this have changed dramatically. The population have "educated themselves" and are horrified at what they've seen and learnt. So many families struggling with groomed and gaslit children believing in the wrong body narrative and the failure of institutions to challenge the narrative, instead using shame and blame to coerce families into compliance. Fear is the currency this ideology has used - both threats of violence and fear of exclusion and social condemnation.

As so many bullies find, eventually the oppressed turn on them

I think they're too late to go back to secrecy plus pretty stories. The genie is out of the bottle and there are already too many other stories in the public domain that challenge their narrative.

The shouty teen enbies and the men in their parents back bedroom sharing selfies of themselves aren't shaping government policies.

Its the reasonable transsexuals, who only wanted to live their lives, who made making school children call them 'miss' possible.