House of Lords- trans women police officer searches

There seem to be quite a few transwomen in the police nationally, though most are in non-public facing roles as much to protect them than cis women.

Whilst it's possible to recognise some transwomen, I know someone who's transitioned MTF at 20 and is now in her mid 30's; outwards looking at her and listening to her, you'd never know she was trans; for all intents and appearances looks 100% female.

The question that crosses my mind is how you identify if the person a police officer or airport security searching you is a transwoman or a cis woman, whilst I accept that in many cases you might be able to recognise someone is transgender or cis,, many transwomen it's impossible to differentiate gender.

Should there be a common sense rule that there not allowed to search cis women?

I have written. I’ll update if I get a response.

Thank you

I will be writing to him and pointing out that women already have scant trust in the police and this is how he addresses our concerns by favouring the rights of males over the safety and dignity of women.

Was this the lord who was wittering on about "trans people are people"? Well of course they are, they're not fish or something, are they? Still doesn't mean that they're the sex they want to be.

Full Hansard here for anyone who’s interested (though it’s fully captured in that video clip). Scroll down to about the fifth question. https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2024-11-25/debates/F44A7FC2-6913-47D4-A635-A92D84F59EE4/PoliceReform

It’s David (now Lord) Hanson, who was a junior minister in the 1997-2007 Labour government. I remember him from then. He’s now a Minister if State at the Home Office and spokesperson for the Home Office in the Lords. I think he would be worth writing to. I don’t imagine he’d be delighted to receive a deluge but hey ho, we don’t always get what we want in life. I suspect he could be reasoned with if not standing at the despatch box terrified of saying the wrong thing on camera (which, unfortunately, he did very much do in that clip).

He had a really arrogant, sneering expression and a scolding tone, as he said "Trans people are people." Not that Claire Fox said that they aren't, of course.

What is the minister's name?

The taser pic is even better.

https://x.com/search?q=skye%20police%20officer&src=typed_query

Careful now, you will invoke Officer Skye

https://x.com/cilcomlfc/status/1860800825414586436?s=46

picture attached for those not able to watch the video.

The crucial question is though is this only hypothetical, is there any trans woman officers?

Yes.

Could someone please inform the Right Honourable Knob about the Baird Enquiry?

for fucks sake

Scarlett, a child under 16 and victim of trafficking for sexual exploitation. Despite GMP being well aware of Scarlett’s status as a victim, who was often missing from home and very clearly being abused and trafficked, Scarlett was arrested by the police after being robbed, and stripsearched in a room close to the custody desk with a glass door through which anyone could see her in her underwear. She was not provided with an appropriate adult, and was wrongly told that if she objected, she would face a criminal charge. She was also allowed to refuse a solicitor despite this not being a decision a child can legally make.
Scarlett felt humiliated by her treatment and alienated from the police – something the inquiry notes is likely to have kept her under the control of traffickers by convincing her there was no escape.

https://www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/inquiry-finds-greater-manchester-police-unlawfully-arrested-and-stripsearched-abuse-victims/

if it would help, I give permission for the Lord to be strip searched by the most brusque burly police officer.

The crucial question is though is this only hypothetical, is there any trans woman officers?

Exactly this.

He seemed to be suggesting that state sanctioned sexual abuse was a job, and trans identifying males were just as entitled to that career as anyone else.

I agree that it sounded like he hadnt a clue what she was talking about. He heard women rights and trans and did the typical politicians thing of responding with a random trans rights slogan.

It's not because they're 'trans' that women don't wish to be intimately searched by these people, it's because they are males. Men. Simple.

Who is he?
Apart from sounding like a misogynist-he gave C Fox a filthy look and didn’t even answer the question!

Yes, exactly.

It was an embarrassingly callous virtue signal. I don't really adhere to "days" but it was supposedly a day about male violence towards women and girls.

Scrambling for think time or hoping people will forget he was asked.
Will women be arrested 'phobia' or 'bigotry' for refusing or asking to only be searched by a woman?
BTP can fuck off with this shit

I suspect he’s been living in his comfortable male world where he doesn’t think about these things and therefore the news story didn’t register with him. And his advisers may have forgotten to brief him (or been too TWAW to do so).

I’m not defending him BTW, his answer was piss poor, just think that’s what might have happened.

As if a trans person couldn't hold an office of responsibility without violating other people's boundaries. What a dim and genuinely transphobic fuckwit that peer must be.

All these people who call themselves trans allies, but then go on to suggest that deception, boundary violation and outright abusive behaviour is inherent to being a trans person.

CAN YOU SEE WHAT YOU ARE DOING?

You're telling people that "trans people HAVE to be abusive,".

And then you wonder why people don't shut up about their concerns and why abusers are drawn to trans ideology like flies to shit.

It might of course be useful for the BTP to have a trans woman officer who can be called upon to search a trans woman passenger should the need arise.

Obviously they should never be used to search a woman.

Well indeed….

I suspect he meant that he had no idea what she was talking about and didn’t want to busk it so wanted her to write in so he could given an informed answer. Which is slightly better than your interpretation but not massively so.