Calling all biological - cis - women. Could we all stop raping each other please? (BBC Radio 4)

Chung is in Scotland, so in theory it's possible for a biological woman to have transitioned, had a faux penis grafted on, and been convicted for rape.

I wonder if this has ever happened.

Chung has a male sibling who says he is a woman.

In Scotland that's true, not sure about RUK.

This is my second FFS of the day and it's not even 7.30 yet 🤦‍♀️

@Apollo441, that’s a shocking statistic. Please could you supply the source? Always good to have ammunition.

Thanks in advance

And can we please not set the bar at rape? If that is where it is, when we are in the women's changing room at the sports' centre and there are naked men in our showers but they don't rape us - well, there's no problem, is there?

Apart from yes, there is the massive fucking problem of men imposing themselves on us in all manner of ways that so many of them seem to thoroughly enjoy.

Our privacy and dignity are just as important as our safety.

In some jurisdictions, 'rape' includes penetration with an object, so technically a woman could be guilty of rape.

But not in the UK.

Yes they can be done under joint endeavour. Curiously in the 8 year period before males could be counted as women for sex crimes there were no recorded instances of women committing rape. In the 8 year period following men being recorded as women for sex crimes there were 400 cases of women committing rape. Either women have suddenly become very fond of joint endeavour rape or it was rape with a penis. My money is on all those 400 'women' perpetrated rapes is entirely down to including trans identifying men in women's crime statistics. The fact that rape is defined as penetration by a penis makes this crime rather hard to hide by arguing women do it too.

Sadly, biological women - cis women - can and do commit horrible acts of violence including sexual violence including rape on other biological cis women.

She's not only redefined women, she's redefined rape. In a woman only space, there would be no penis, and therefore no rape.

Saying sexual assault happens in female only spaces doesn't help men with gender campaign to be in those spaces. The point has always been that its unsafe for them in the mens and safe in the womens.

"biological cis women" - the phrases they have to use to describe fanny havers is getting more convoluted by the day.

The second argument is again somewhat of a sad one, which is that there is a presumption in the For Women Scotland's argument that same sex, or single sex female spaces in particular, are free of physical and sexual violence, and sadly that’s simply not true. Sadly, biological women - cis women - can and do commit horrible acts of violence including sexual violence including rape on other biological cis women."

This is whataboutery. Most sex crimes are MVAWG.

I understand that. But you do realise that sex crimes are overwhelmingly committed by men? On women?

I have, you aren't speaking for all of us.

In some jurisdictions, 'rape' includes penetration with an object, so technically a woman could be guilty of rape.
In July in Ireland a man was jailed for 9 years for rape involving an object, which is rape under Irish law.
'Cis' women 'raping each other' is a bizarre claim.

If this is the best that they can come up with, that’s an abysmally weak argument. Pathetic even.

Real (female) women have been convicted of rape when they have assisted a male rapist. Under joint enterprise they are convicted of the actual crime committed by the main offender.

Yup.
Sexual Offences Act 2003 in England and the equivalent 2009 Act in Scotland.And guess what? Rape is s.1. Not hard to miss.
Note the language. He. His penis.
1Rape
(1)A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis...

Admittedly it starts off referring to a 'person' but sees sense and reverts to he, his penis.

It is not possible for a (real) women to commit rape - lacking a penis is part of the problem!

no actual woman has ever been convicted of rape (though it is possible to aid and abet - very rare though!). I think she was thinking of women like Isla!

Yes it is, a penis that is physically attached to the body. And as of 2021 (I believe) it now also includes those who have had a surgically made penis (female to male transgender) irrespective of how they identify.

You’d think people would have legal definitions correct before stating this as an argument.

The first [concern] is a practical matter, that they oppose it on the grounds of that they feel gender identity - gender recognition certificates rather - shouldn’t grant access to single sex spaces. The answer is that they don’t.

Yet Amnesty International thinks they do. The era of pulling this sleight of hand is over, Emily.

The closest case I can think of is where a woman was accused of SA by deception: she had pretended to be a young man.

For some strange reason, she wasn't described in the media as a trans man.

Emily Chung has exposed herself as biologically and legally illiterate on national radio. The shameful thing is, that broadcasting house probably thinks she's advertised how wonderfully progressive she is, rather than how utterly idiotic.

I've literally never once felt threatened or creeped out by another woman in a changing room or toilet, let alone been assaulted or raped by one. These people are living on a different planet to the rest of us

What are the statistics for woman upon woman rape, in the UK per year?
Would the police even record the bio sex of the rapist? Because nearly all public cases of rape perpetuated by a female recently seem to actually have been committed by a man.

Can't figure it out at all.

There was a "woman" who attempted to rape a 10 yr old not that far away from here, but fortunately the girl - God bless her - managed to punch the newfangled, improved woman in the balls.