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Hoardasurass · 23/11/2024 09:50

BTP have issued new guidance on strip searches and under it any man with a GRC can strip search any women. But it's OK as the equality act (and the haldane ruling) says that the GRC makes the man female 🤬

Transgender police officers can strip-search women https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14116705/Transgender-officers-strip-search-women-police.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

Transgender police officers can strip-search women

The British Transport Police policy allows recently transitioned officers to intimately search women if they have been issued a gender recognition certificate.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14116705/Transgender-officers-strip-search-women-police.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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mach2 · 01/12/2024 10:09

It feels like Fall of Rome stuff - when there's a scintilla of doubt over whether men should be allowed to search women. The answer is

NO, NO, NO!

lcakethereforeIam · 25/11/2024 12:58

Archive link for the Telegraph article posted upthread by @MrsOvertonsWindow, I think it's the same one

https://archive.ph/g7W4o

The BTP said....“Who British Transport Police transgender colleagues may search is determined by an interaction between the legal framework of the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (1984), Code of Practice on the Exercise by Constables of Powers of Stop and Search of the Person in Scotland 2017, and the Equality Act (2010), with the correct application of occupational requirement, and not limited to the provisions of the Gender Recognition Act (GRA) (2004).

See! Quite clear. Don't know what everyone's worrying about Hmm

Although spare a thought for PC Britney, whose gagging to search his her first woman uterus-haver, but the Postman hasn't been yet to deliver his her GRC.

BettyBooper · 25/11/2024 12:42

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/11/2024 12:22

Good to see that people haven't held back with their comments

205k views, 555 comments and.... 64 likes.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 25/11/2024 12:22

Signalbox · 25/11/2024 12:02

Holy shit BTP has got a fucking nerve.

x.com/BTP/status/1860979244970459223

Good to see that people haven't held back with their comments

Signalbox · 25/11/2024 12:02

Holy shit BTP has got a fucking nerve.

x.com/BTP/status/1860979244970459223

British transport police
Brainworm · 24/11/2024 22:22

It's refreshing to hear Sex Matters being called human rights charity!

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/11/2024 20:58

If Sex Matters need funding for the judicial review then I’m more than happy to oblige and throw a few wee pennies into the pot.

Rationally, a sensible government should realise that (with all these court cases, judicial reviews, and employment tribunals highlighting the dangerous nonsense that is allowing men to legally pretend to change sex) it would behoove them to improve the legislative protections for women but so far….nada.

ArabellaScott · 24/11/2024 20:45

MON SEX MATTERS!!!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/11/2024 20:27

Worth pointing out that if this government weren't captured by the trans cult, they would have spotted the sexual assault implications of this creepy policy. Regrettably the sexual assault of women and girls pales into insignificance when faced with demands to validate men demanding access to women's naked bodies.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 24/11/2024 20:12

The Telegraph are reporting that Sex Matters are looking to take a judicial review on this

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/24/transport-police-force-legal-action-transgender-stripsearch/

"Maya Forstater, CEO of human rights charity Sex Matters, which penned the letter, said the guidance was “state-sponsored sex discrimination and sexual abuse”.
She added: “Its guidance breaches the Human Rights Act, the Equality Act and PACE, the law that requires strip-searches to only be carried out by someone of the same sex.
“Abuse of position for sexual purposes is the largest area of corruption that the Independent Office of Police Complaints deals with and too many officers have been found guilty of sexual offences.
“The police say that lessons have been learnt and then adopt a policy of institutionalised sexual harassment and abuse of women.
“Not only are women more likely to feel humiliated and vulnerable when naked, but men are responsible for 98 per cent of sex crimes.
“It is well attested in the medical literature that for many men, cross-dressing is a sexual fetish.
“No woman should be degraded by being made to strip and bend over in front of a man. That is even more important when the man may be manifesting a sexual paraphilia.”

Well done Sex Matters!

Police force faces legal action over guidance allowing trans officers to strip-search women

It allows male staff identifying as female to intimately search women if they have a gender recognition certificate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/24/transport-police-force-legal-action-transgender-stripsearch

ScrollingLeaves · 24/11/2024 18:17

Bodeganights · 24/11/2024 09:12

Farking hell, I've just read that.
It is the usual stuff. I'm left wondering if any other protected characteristics have as long a policy.
And part way through it states no grc is needed as proof until
No departments will be advised of the reason for the name change and the individual is not required
to provide any proof of the name change such as a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) or deed poll
document other than for vetting as outlined below.

How useful for rogue police.
Who would have thought the police of all people would have such a dangerous policy.

Bodeganights · 24/11/2024 09:12

ArabellaScott · 24/11/2024 07:14

Farking hell, I've just read that.
It is the usual stuff. I'm left wondering if any other protected characteristics have as long a policy.
And part way through it states no grc is needed as proof until
No departments will be advised of the reason for the name change and the individual is not required
to provide any proof of the name change such as a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC) or deed poll
document other than for vetting as outlined below.

Bodeganights · 24/11/2024 08:57

TickingAlongNicely · 23/11/2024 14:37

Its simple.
Men should search men
Women should search women
A transwoman can search transwomen
A transman can search transmen.

Then everyone us searched by someone whose sex and gender align with theirs.

It might be better to have some different pronouns for yourself and demand to be searched by the same.

Demi romantic ace
Kie/kir
Hye/hym
Or make up your own. But as a pp posted, you can get strip searched if they suspect you've committed a crime. And we all know how tissue like suspicions can be.

No point fighting, in fact that'll be what some of them would like. If you fight they'll just bring more people in to hold you down. I know if it was me I'd rather get it over with than be held down. I would attempt to start a court case about it, and donate to the first case to be brought (and any subsequent cases)

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2024 23:23

Hoppinggreen · 23/11/2024 13:44

Family member had a horrific experience with the BTP, she was a badly injured victim who was harrassed and shouted at to change her statement to support arresting someone who had certainly NOT hurt her rather than the people who had.
She refused to change her statement despite being very frightened by male officers and then BTP refused to proceed any further with the case.

That is awful. It is like attacking her again. I feel so sorry for her.

duc748 · 23/11/2024 23:15

I can't help wondering how many transwomen police officers there are. Sometimes, it seems like there's one in every nick, but that can't be the case, surely?

ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2024 22:41

Rightsraptor · 23/11/2024 22:11

Michael Foean has published a Substack piece on this today. He's of the opinion that it's illegal.

Thank you for that news.

It should surely be illegal. If the supposed rare exceptions in the GRA and/or Equality Act do not cover this, then the law is absolutely even more of an ass than we thought.

It is ridiculous that the GRA and Equality Act are so badly worded that a law professor can only ‘think’ this is illegal, while the police have established an egregiously outrageous policy for intimate body searches of women by males who are trans because they take it that this is following the law so they must.

Rightsraptor · 23/11/2024 22:11

Michael Foean has published a Substack piece on this today. He's of the opinion that it's illegal.

Taytoface · 23/11/2024 18:58

This will absolutely be used as a weapon against uppity women by the police. They will roll out the creep with stubble every time a woman is less than fully cooperative.

frenchnoodle · 23/11/2024 18:11

Signalbox · 23/11/2024 16:18

Ha good luck with that. The days of them sliding anti-woman legislation through under the radar are long gone.

Memories are short. But I hope so.

maltravers · 23/11/2024 17:31

If a TW tried to strip search me, I would fight them off physically and if they persisted by force I would sue them, report them for sexual assault and go to the press. This is not acceptable.

FizzingAda · 23/11/2024 17:05
A barrister does a video on the LAW on this at the moment - worth ten minutes of your time. Seems to be boiling down to a conflict of rights.

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ScrollingLeaves · 23/11/2024 16:33

DialSquare · 23/11/2024 16:21

Meanwhile, in Germany......

Trans policewoman 'assaults colleagues with a penis pump' in Germany
mol.im/a/14117553

This male thug policeman, who says they are a woman, who drugged and sexually assaulted two men, was, unbelievably, about to possibly become the police women’s official representative.

I am having xenophobic, highly judgemental thoughts about what I have just read.

Whatthechicken · 23/11/2024 16:26

mumda · 23/11/2024 14:33

I am furious.

I thought we were starting to see the light of sanity return.

We are, this is the kick back. I'm very worried about the FWS case though.