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NHS Grampian doubling down - survey, please complete

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Bennachie · 21/11/2024 10:30

It seems NHS Grampian are planning to double down on their pushing of trans. Please complete their survey of their plan to focus on trans for the next four years under the PSED plan. They throw in women too but only record ‘gender’ and part of their trans actions if ensuring gender is changed in their records.

https://www.nhsgrampian.org/equality-outcomes-2025-2029-consultation

Equality Outcomes 2025-2029 Consultation

https://www.nhsgrampian.org/equality-outcomes-2025-2029-consultation

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CamelsForChristmas · 10/01/2025 23:46

MovingCrib · 21/11/2024 14:32

I mentioned pain relief/GA for Hysteroscopy

My mother is in Australia (and a former nurse) and she is about to have a hysteroscopy. I said to her; 'Make sure you insist on pain relief' and she said wtaf? They are done by GA of course. What the heck am I talking about.

But some of the stories I have told her about medical services in the Uk result in shock and disgust.

ditalini · 10/01/2025 18:43

I've asked them about their definitions, about how they'll manage requests for access to their "woman's group" from trans and non-binary people (trans with and without GRCs), and if they're planning to use self identification into the protected characteristic what risk assessments and impact evaluations they've done to ensure this doesn't affect their aims.

Also about whether they intend to record gender and sex, and if not how are they going to assure the safety of trans and non-binary people and what risk/impact assessments they've carried out to ensure no harm is done if sex is deliberately or mistakenly misreported/concealed by patients.

If they're intending to not record sex, how are they ensuring there is no financial/administrative burden in asking unnecessary questions repeatedly about pregnancy (for example) in populations where that's not a possibility (ie men, mostly unambiguously male), and what risk/impact assessments have they done on populations vulnerable to unclear language, eg ESL, learning disabilities, dementia.

Similar questions re: women's health - how will they ensure appropriate inclusion of gender diverse females and if answer is gender neutral language, what risk/impact assessments have been done on groups vulnerable to unclear language.

I suspect the answer is no impact/risk assessment outside that very small community of interest.

DancingMirren · 10/01/2025 17:37

What a terrible questionnaire.

Bennachie · 10/01/2025 16:54

It rather gives the game away as to what these organisations consider as ‘diversity’ and ‘equality’

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Ramblingnamechanger · 10/01/2025 16:32

Didn’t do the questionaire but made a few comments also noting that mental health was largely not mentioned in the equalities section, but I didn’t read it all to be fair.

334bu · 10/01/2025 16:12

Done.

WaterThyme · 10/01/2025 12:13

I just filled it in too. Agree with @ghostofadog , it’s appalling. It has special focuses on trans and the travelling community. No sign of monitoring.

On the plus side there are free text boxes.

It needn’t take too long to complete.

ghostofadog · 10/01/2025 11:45

Thanks for the link, have filled in. Absolutely incredible that they have gone public with such a shockingly poor set of outcomes. It's clear where they spent all their time and effort - trans trans trans! Worth noting that according to the census there were 1877 trans people in total in Grampian health board area, 0.3% of population. Even fewer gypsy travellers (487 people) and yet virtually the whole document is about these two groups.

Namechangedforgoodreasons · 10/01/2025 10:29

Done. (Nothing to stop anyone at all from completing the survey…)

kiterunning · 10/01/2025 10:27

The NHS in Scotland is a disgrace.

littlbrowndog · 10/01/2025 10:16

Filled it in

its a total shocker. They might do something or other in 2029. For women
so it was just transgender people who came first and staff would get trained on this, then travellers then women. Nothing about race or age or pregnancy. Or age.

Bennachie · 10/01/2025 10:02

Just boosting this as the deadline is today

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NotAGirl · 21/11/2024 15:50

Wow that survey was embarrassing to read, looked more amateurish than a school homework assignment

MovingCrib · 21/11/2024 15:13

Oh good point! I didn't spot that.

Bennachie · 21/11/2024 15:03

The women's section has been dashed off in about ten seconds with fuck all thought and no detail. Why no mention of maternity care?

Pregnancy and Maternity is a protected characteristic in its own right too. And, as you say, no mention at all.

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MelodyMalone · 21/11/2024 14:53

These are my thoughts too. Little on disability (just focusing on staff) and nothing on age. Nothing on people living with dementia , which is a huge issue. But a heavy focus on transgender.

AnnaMagnani · 21/11/2024 14:50

Done. The women's health section was woeful, just vague 'raising awareness ' no specifics or changes in service provision.

Bennachie · 21/11/2024 14:38

The disability section is just ‘reasonable adjustments’ for staff. Nothing about accessibility or policies, or even about patients and visitors.

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ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 14:36

And why so much focus on trans but nothing on race, religion/belief, age?

Good point. Age, particularly is a huge issue for the NHS for obvious reasons.

MovingCrib · 21/11/2024 14:36

Yes I saw that about the group offering training

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 14:35

I'm sorry to hear that, MovingCrib. There are many problems iwth maternity care throughout Scotland.

That survey presented as it is is insulting. They've clearly done a good bit of handwringing on the transgender section, added a fair bit of detail (although no proper explanation of terms) and then given up and tossed in a couple of weak sauce statements at 'women' that are so vague as to be utterly meaningless.

Bennachie · 21/11/2024 14:34

Well given they are also committing to changing ‘gender’ on their records and don’t record sex, they will have no way of knowing if they are improving services for women or placing men on women’s wards. They are getting an activist organisation to train staff and do ‘diversity campaigns’. Plus a LGBT+ staff network, because they provide balanced campaigns don’t they? You cannot separate what they claim they will offer women from what they are doing for trans.

And why so much focus on trans but nothing on race, religion/belief, age?

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MovingCrib · 21/11/2024 14:33

My maternity experience at Aberdeen Maternity was woeful

MovingCrib · 21/11/2024 14:32

I mentioned pain relief/GA for Hysteroscopy

ArabellaScott · 21/11/2024 14:31

The problems that I can see are largely that they're not clarifing their terms.

Are they working on the basis of sex, or gender, or a weird and confusing mix of both?

But also that they're not apparently giving women the same consideration as people with special gender identities.

'Improve access to healthcare '

That's not exactly a clearly laid out KPI, is it?

The women's section has been dashed off in about ten seconds with fuck all thought and no detail. Why no mention of maternity care? Could it be because of the woeful provision in many areas of Scotland?