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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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DeanElderberry · 24/11/2024 08:32

And continuing to broadcast the same message as before rather than listening to the counter-arguments will not help them to regroup. The campaign for the 2028 election should have started but they still seem to be fighting the 2024 one.

lcakethereforeIam · 24/11/2024 08:29

I don't disagree with you regarding the Republicans but they won. As you say not by a large margin. A margin that might have been created by the relatively small number of people who voted the way they did because of the issues caused by gender ideology. In addition to the small number (relatively) who couldn't stomach voting for the Demoncrats because of this and stayed home.

The they/them ad was very effective.

NotBadConsidering · 24/11/2024 08:28

But let's go on thinking that trans issues are the only women's rights we need to be concerned about

Luckily no one has done that. Isn’t that a relief?

knitnerd90 · 24/11/2024 08:23

I mean, they won by not a very large margin, in a context where incumbent parties all over the world are losing. No one voted for them because of women's rights. The gender gap was large. It was about blame for inflation. And there were explicit appeals to sexism and the manosphere. But let's go on thinking that trans issues are the only women's rights we need to be concerned about. I'm sure if you're dying in childbirth it will be a consolation to know that the hospital said "pregnant women" instead of "pregnant people."

how many credible accusations of sexual assault do we have now, between Trump and his cabinet nominees, including the one who just dropped out? And Nancy Mace wants to tell us it's Sarah McBride we need to fear?

lcakethereforeIam · 24/11/2024 08:16

Yup, the Republicans sound like a right bunch of wankers. Probably why they lost the election 🤔...oh wait.

DeanElderberry · 24/11/2024 07:39

Back to the long long arguments about whether the 'War Between the States' was about states' rights or about slavery? Both, obviously, and the Democrats and the Republicans have argued both sides over the years. Just at the moment, the Republicans are coming across as having at least some effective pragmatists who might be able to do good work in specific areas, despite very odd ducks at the top of the administration, while the Democrats, many of them excellent people, seem theory-driven to the point where they have lost contact with reality.

I say that as a lifelong leftie looking across the pond in some confusion.

knitnerd90 · 24/11/2024 07:31

Again, if you read the history of it, "states' rights" has always been a conservative smokescreen on multiple issues. It's also contradicted by the many Republicans who quite openly called for bans. The point of "return it to the states" was to ban it.

I'll also note that "states' rights" and "local control" fly right out the window when places try to do things the GOP doesn't like.

It's not just abortion. The GOP objected to mandating pregnancy coverage in the Affordable Care Act. They reject maternity leave. They reject increasing subsidies for child care. (And, as someone who lives in the USA, there is a fairly effective tax subsidy for stay-at-home parents because married couples are jointly taxed.) They rejected the Lilly Ledbetter Equal Pay Act. They reject increasing postpartum Medicaid coverage. I could go on and on.

DeanElderberry · 24/11/2024 07:29

Re Nancy Mace's political view on abortion, she has said: The vast majority of people want some sort of gestational limits, ... not at nine months, but somewhere in the middle. They want exceptions for rape and incest. They want women to have access to birth control. These are all very common-sense positions that we can take and still be pro-life." [she] has voiced support for gestational limits of 15 to 20 week

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Mace#Political_positions

Giving the right to legislate on reproductive rights back to states (by getting rid of Roe vs Wade) is consistent with Republican policy generally.

knitnerd90 · 24/11/2024 07:14

meanwhile, at state level, Democrats actually have fought to enshrine abortion protections. The only state where they lost is Florida, because DeSantis made sure the proposition required a 60% majority. "the Democrats" as a whole have not failed to protect women's rights. This includes both states where Democrats held a legislative majority and passed it via statute or in some cases state constitutional amendments, and states like Ohio and Kansas where the Democrats helped voters enshrine protections through propositions and referendums.

knitnerd90 · 24/11/2024 07:12

They did not have the votes to do so. you are aware that you need not only majorities in both houses, but effectively a 60 vote majority in the Senate to overcome the filibuster? And again if it's so easy to implement legislatively, it would have been equally easy to overturn it when the GOP got back into power. The Democrats had a filibuster proof majority for only a brief window between the 2008 election and the death of Ted Kennedy. Obama used his legislative muscle to pass the Affordable Care Act. At that time, there wasn't a prospect of a conservative court majority. Trump did that, by appointing 3 justices, two of them under dubious circumstances. All of them lied and said they regarded Roe as settled jurisprudence.

if is essentially impossible to pass a constitutional amendment at the present time as you need the votes of 3/4 of the states as well as both houses of Congress. Neither side can muster that majority.

And if you were familiar with the history you'd know that the decision to overturn Roe was inherently political. The right never believed that the ruling was correctly decided. It eventually became a litmus test for all Republican justices. The originalists on the court never believed in the right to privacy inferred from the Fourteenth Amendment. It is not explicitly stated.

the Republican Party isn't ashamed to take credit for overturning Roe, except when it has to face consequences.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 24/11/2024 02:00

knitnerd90 · 23/11/2024 23:46

Um. No. They scuttled it quite deliberately. It was in their platform and they deliberately appointed Supreme Court justices who would rule that way and engineered the lawsuits to get it in front of the Court. Trump even took credit for it.

And it's certainly on Republicans when they used that decision to pass state level bans.

It must have been a pretty shaky ruling to begin with if a later court could overturn it. It's not like the Fourteenth Amendment has changed since 1973.

The Dems, during their presidencies, could have tried to secure abortion against the most stacked of Supreme Court benches with a constitutional amendment or at least some kind of federal law or executive order, yet they didn't. Remember how Obama campaigned on abortion protections and then didn't do anything to protect abortion for eight years?

It is absolutely typical Dem behaviour to hold abortion protections out as a carrot to lure female voters and then do nothing to actually protect abortion so that they can repeat the false promise next election cycle. It's basically blackmailing women into voting for them. And women have been hurt by having their rights used as carrots in this way.

Another way to view this is that the Dems have no intention of keeping their promises and the GOP at least try to. Under that circumstance, I'd probably vote for the party most likely to attempt to keep their promises because at least I'd know what I was getting, even if I didn't like it.

UtopiaPlanitia · 24/11/2024 01:35

A short video compilation of the type of abuse Nancy Mace has received since advocating for single-sex spaces for women (links below for video on TwiX and TikTok):

https://x.com/marycatedelvey/status/1860384194351812937

https://www.tiktok.com/@marycate.mf.delvey/video/7440534793307049262

knitnerd90 · 23/11/2024 23:46

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/11/2024 21:40

It was the Supreme Court who scuttled Roe versus Wade, not the Republican Party. HTH.

Um. No. They scuttled it quite deliberately. It was in their platform and they deliberately appointed Supreme Court justices who would rule that way and engineered the lawsuits to get it in front of the Court. Trump even took credit for it.

And it's certainly on Republicans when they used that decision to pass state level bans.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/11/2024 21:57

ArabellaScott · 23/11/2024 10:23

Holy hyperbole, Batman.

'Erin' Reed chimes in.

https://x.com/TheOnlyGuru/status/1859990767022068035/

Does it actually say anywhere in the Speaker's new rules that McBride will be referred to and addressed as Mr? Or that McBride will be forced to comply with the male dress code?

I'm dismayed that Congress even has separate dress codes for the sexes because they are regressive nonsense.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/11/2024 21:40

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 08:58

I was discussing canadian nieces and their american-based cousins.

Mace is a part of a large movement who is actively taking away rights from women and girls.

She will use this success to further her goals to take away rights from natal women and girls. I would have much less issue if she were a democrat and not part of the party that scuttled Row v Wade.

It was the Supreme Court who scuttled Roe versus Wade, not the Republican Party. HTH.

duc748 · 23/11/2024 21:36

Jeez, it's grim that women should even have to think like that.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 23/11/2024 21:29

PinkChesnut · 22/11/2024 03:16

Expecting someone who brings a bathroom bill to the table to also speak out against their party leader who has gone into women's change rooms and raped a woman is a pretty small ask.

By bringing this bill, she does speak against Trump, by speaking against every male that wants to go into women's changing rooms and toilets. She's fought for an enforceable rule against all males, including Trump, doing that in the House of Congress and in doing so has contributed towards normalising the fight for women's spaces and sports all over the US. This normalisation is what I think you dislike so much.

If her being anti-abortion means anything, it means that she has more reason to defend female spaces from males and more to lose if those spaces are invaded because she cannot abort a pregnancy forced on her by a rapist. It's a lot easier to be cavalier about the risk of pregnancy (whether that pregnancy is caused by rape or not) when you are willing to abort and living in a jurisdiction that lets you act on that choice than if you are anti-abortion or living in Texas/Malta/Poland/El Salvador/etc.

annejumps · 23/11/2024 19:07

Also I'm very glad to see Nancy Mace call attention to males in women's prisons, especially in California. It's in so many places yet it gets brushed over like it's not happening.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 23/11/2024 17:00

In this case there are mixed sex / gender neutral spaces so all the women like AOC and the other women who like to centre penis can hang out with transpeople there and still ensure that the many women who need single sex spaces can participate in public life. Acknowledging this would be truly inclusive.

The extent to which these women want to force other unconsenting women to be traumatised and / or be in a state of undress around male bodies is really quite disturbing. They really don't understand consent, do they. Why do they think they get to decide for other women|?

Go hang out with your male transsexual friends in the gender neutral toilets, no-one's stopping you.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/11/2024 10:47

FayeRC · 23/11/2024 10:41

We now have an Employment Tribunal case in England (issued by me), asking for single-sex facilities at work. That is because my employer's trans staff policy insists women's showers need to be shared between women and men who say they are women. For more info, please search for Faye Russell-Caldicott at CrowdJustice.com

Good luck with this Faye. Unbelievable that women are having to go to the courts to deal with this shit.

FayeRC · 23/11/2024 10:41

We now have an Employment Tribunal case in England (issued by me), asking for single-sex facilities at work. That is because my employer's trans staff policy insists women's showers need to be shared between women and men who say they are women. For more info, please search for Faye Russell-Caldicott at CrowdJustice.com

Ingenieur · 23/11/2024 10:31

From Erin:

"The decision to comply does not just affect..."

Yes, we've been saying for years that complying with this shit doesn't just affect the individual in question. The lack of self-awareness would be baffling, except that Erin is fully aware of the goal.

ArabellaScott · 23/11/2024 10:24

Screenshot of his quite entertaining story.

Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress
ArabellaScott · 23/11/2024 10:23

Holy hyperbole, Batman.

'Erin' Reed chimes in.

https://x.com/TheOnlyGuru/status/1859990767022068035/