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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 06:58

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:56

Why did the anti-trans government put it in the law then?

Why is it even on the table?

It is absolutely vile and degrading to young girls, and yet not a peep from any of you.

What “anti-trans government” put it into law? What did they put into law?

What are you talking about?🤣

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:57

334bu · 20/11/2024 06:48

I don't see the need to exclude any woman, trans, intersex, or otherwise, from bathrooms

Well, as you support allowing men into female only spaces, I think we can safely say that you really don't care about women's rights .

You can say whatever you like, it's your own bias speaking and does not make it true.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:56

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 06:55

There is no need for any genital exam for children for sport. Why do you insist on catastrophising everything?

Why did the anti-trans government put it in the law then?

Why is it even on the table?

It is absolutely vile and degrading to young girls, and yet not a peep from any of you.

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:55

Runor · 20/11/2024 06:52

OMG that’s not how control of medical intervention works! Puberty blockers will not be banned for precocious puberty if they get banned for body dysphoria. Are you really happy to post from a position of such ignorance?

It’s a very common TRA trope at the moment.

Making up a term - “gender affirming care” - then putting unrelated procedures into the same category and then saying “EVERYTHING will be banned”.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:55

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2024 06:45

Wrong no reasonable dr would do any type of breast surgery on a child due to their breasts not being fully formed and the poor long-term results of such surgeries in girls under 18.
If your going to continue with this erroneous assertion please provide evidence of your claims

Untrue.

In 2011 alone over 4000 breast surgeries were done in the US on girls under the age of 18.

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 06:55

There is no need for any genital exam for children for sport. Why do you insist on catastrophising everything?

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:53

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:49

Yes, and there were other options including a birth certificate and genetic profile. But the TRAs latched onto “physical exam” because they are obsessed with children’s genitals.

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/decision-to-abolish-gender-testing-at-sydney-olympics-supported-by-yale-physician/

This is an interesting article about why the Olympics stopped gender testing in 2000.

I find it very telling you have no issue with conservative governments mandating genital examination of children, and continue to act as if it is somehow TRAs who are writing these laws.

Decision to Abolish Gender Testing at Sydney Olympics Supported By Yale Physician

The decision by Olympic officials to discontinue, on a trial basis, gender testing at the summer games in Sydney, Australia, was long in coming, a Yale

https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/decision-to-abolish-gender-testing-at-sydney-olympics-supported-by-yale-physician

Runor · 20/11/2024 06:52

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 03:06

When they ban gender affirming care for under-18s, they mean ALL gender affirming care, including girls who need breast reductions and boys who need mastectomies due to gynecomastia. That's what gets banned. Any surgical intervention, trans or not, is made illegal.

And most gender affirming surgical care for the 13-18 demographic is being done on non-trans teenagers. I looked up stats for the Alberta specifically when researching and found out it was very close to less than 1% of surgeries were being done on trans teens.

The same is true for puberty blockers, most usage is for girls experiencing precocious puberty, and that becomes banned.

These blanket bans end up impacting a whole group of people who need access to this medical treatment for reasons that are not transition related.

OMG that’s not how control of medical intervention works! Puberty blockers will not be banned for precocious puberty if they get banned for body dysphoria. Are you really happy to post from a position of such ignorance?

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2024 06:52

Also @PinkChesnut you do realise that the US Dr's claim that girls who id as boys are boys and that natural female breast tissue is gynaecomastia as its the only way to get medicade and most insurers to pay for it.
It's very similar to the fraud being committed in Australia by drs claiming that girls have testicular insufficiency (as in they don't have any due to being female) so the federal government will pay for the testosterone that these girls are being given

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NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 06:52

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:02

I cant speak for Jessa, but I oppose this politician because I know that it is just theatre to stir up support from the useful idiots. She will happily right wing grift and fundraise off of this and say it gives her a mandate to continue to vote against women's right to choose.

So you support the outcome of the bill, but don’t support it because of the person who is tabling it? And you talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face?

Or do you not support single sex spaces?

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:49

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:44

This was the anti-trans Republicans putting into law that schools could request a physical examination be done on children to determine their sex.

Not the, as you call them, "TRAs".

Yes, and there were other options including a birth certificate and genetic profile. But the TRAs latched onto “physical exam” because they are obsessed with children’s genitals.

334bu · 20/11/2024 06:48

I don't see the need to exclude any woman, trans, intersex, or otherwise, from bathrooms

Well, as you support allowing men into female only spaces, I think we can safely say that you really don't care about women's rights .

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:48

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 06:47

So you are against single sex toilets for women in principle.

The talk about abortion is just a distraction tactic.

I am against the need for a law about the issue.

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 06:47

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:38

I did answer these questions already.

I don't see the need to exclude any woman, trans, intersex, or otherwise, from bathrooms.

I also don't see the need to pass laws that prohibit someone using a bathroom not in line with their sex/gender. Already private property rules govern most of these spaces, school bathrooms should be single user anyway.

But if a politician really felt the need to make up a bill that included all women? Sure. Whatever. Seems pointless and not in the interest of reducing harm to me.

So you are against single sex toilets for women in principle.

The talk about abortion is just a distraction tactic.

Hoardasurass · 20/11/2024 06:45

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 03:06

When they ban gender affirming care for under-18s, they mean ALL gender affirming care, including girls who need breast reductions and boys who need mastectomies due to gynecomastia. That's what gets banned. Any surgical intervention, trans or not, is made illegal.

And most gender affirming surgical care for the 13-18 demographic is being done on non-trans teenagers. I looked up stats for the Alberta specifically when researching and found out it was very close to less than 1% of surgeries were being done on trans teens.

The same is true for puberty blockers, most usage is for girls experiencing precocious puberty, and that becomes banned.

These blanket bans end up impacting a whole group of people who need access to this medical treatment for reasons that are not transition related.

Wrong no reasonable dr would do any type of breast surgery on a child due to their breasts not being fully formed and the poor long-term results of such surgeries in girls under 18.
If your going to continue with this erroneous assertion please provide evidence of your claims

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PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:44

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:43

what’s wrong with a cheek swab? Why are TRA’s so obsessed with children’s genitals?

This was the anti-trans Republicans putting into law that schools could request a physical examination be done on children to determine their sex.

Not the, as you call them, "TRAs".

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:43

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:41

You might find support for "no men in women's sports!!!" Until that means 15 year old girls are having their genitals inspected before they can play sports.

See Florida.

How is this harm reductive?

what’s wrong with a cheek swab? Why are TRA’s so obsessed with children’s genitals?

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:41

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:39

https://www.thefp.com/p/democrats-kamala-abortion-trans-trump

This has been posted before, but the Democrats misread the public feeling on men who identity as trans entering women’s spaces and sport.

Mace is a politician - who knows what her private feelings are - but she has her finger on the pulse with this issue and is making the most of it

You might find support for "no men in women's sports!!!" Until that means 15 year old girls are having their genitals inspected before they can play sports.

See Florida.

How is this harm reductive?

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:39

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:32

It would not have been possible to pass this legislation and put it into law

Then they fucked up, didn’t they, by campaigning on it?

https://www.thefp.com/p/democrats-kamala-abortion-trans-trump

This has been posted before, but the Democrats misread the public feeling on men who identity as trans entering women’s spaces and sport.

Mace is a politician - who knows what her private feelings are - but she has her finger on the pulse with this issue and is making the most of it

Democrats Picked the Wrong Women’s Rights Issue

It wasn’t abortion that mobilized voters. It was biological males in women’s sports.

https://www.thefp.com/p/democrats-kamala-abortion-trans-trump

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:39

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:32

It would not have been possible to pass this legislation and put it into law

Then they fucked up, didn’t they, by campaigning on it?

No? They campaigned on it hoping to get the votes needed to deal with the SCOTUS.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:38

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 06:33

My questions were

  1. Are you in favour of single sex toilets for women?
  2. Would you support a bill guaranteeing single sex toilets for women if a Democrat Congresswoman or Congressman sponsored it?

I did answer these questions already.

I don't see the need to exclude any woman, trans, intersex, or otherwise, from bathrooms.

I also don't see the need to pass laws that prohibit someone using a bathroom not in line with their sex/gender. Already private property rules govern most of these spaces, school bathrooms should be single user anyway.

But if a politician really felt the need to make up a bill that included all women? Sure. Whatever. Seems pointless and not in the interest of reducing harm to me.

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 06:33

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:30

She probably carries and also thinks the "good guys with guns" will save her and she doesn't have to worry.

I have no idea. I may have missed whatever other questions you asked.

My questions were

  1. Are you in favour of single sex toilets for women?
  2. Would you support a bill guaranteeing single sex toilets for women if a Democrat Congresswoman or Congressman sponsored it?
nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:32

It would not have been possible to pass this legislation and put it into law

Then they fucked up, didn’t they, by campaigning on it?

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:30

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 06:28

And...? Is she therefore invulnerable to bullets?

Have you thought about the other questions I asked?

She probably carries and also thinks the "good guys with guns" will save her and she doesn't have to worry.

I have no idea. I may have missed whatever other questions you asked.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 06:29

nolongersurprised · 20/11/2024 06:09

Women’s healthcare or access to abortion?

And if the latter, Democrats have been in power for 12 of the last 16 years, including the last 4. Why does increasing access to abortion only seem to matter for them now?

Please study american civics for the answer to this question. The SCOTUS would have overturned any legislation enshrining abortion rights, and the Democrats did not have a true majority in either senate or the house.

It would not have been possible to pass this legislation and put it into law. The best they have been able to do is support grass roots campaigns to put abortion access on the ballots at state level, which has passed in several states during this election.