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Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

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Hoardasurass · 19/11/2024 07:26

The quoted comments from the congresswoman are brilliant

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

First trans member lawmaker blasts GOP after bill blocks bathroom use

A trans war has broken out on Capitol Hill after a Republican lawmaker proposed a measure to block transgender women from using biological women's restrooms in the U.S. Capitol. 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14098953/nancy-mace-trans-lawmaker-bathroom-capitol-hill-sarah-mcbride.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

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PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:21

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:19

If 'he' knows 'he' is not a woman, then what makes him 'trans'?

By virtue of him not being a woman, he is trans.

It's not complicated.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:21

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

I'm sorry but when people say this, I do think they really have lost the plot.

YOU CAN'T CHANGE SEX.

It doesn't matter what someone thinks they are.

THEY REMAIN THE SEX THEY WERE BORN.

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:19

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

If 'he' knows 'he' is not a woman, then what makes him 'trans'?

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:18

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:04

What makes this person 'trans' then?

He knows he is not a woman. He was telling his parents at age 6, and is now in his late thirties.

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:18

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 20:13

She posted on Bluesky a selfie taken in a women’s bathroom, saying: “We’re all just people trying to pee in peace.”

What part of “peeing in peace” involves taking a selfie FFS?

Just walk into the men’s, pee, and walk out. No one cares.

Just walk into the men’s, pee, and walk out. No one cares.

That's part of the problem, I suspect. That no-one cares. Not enough drama. Not an Instagram or TikTok-worthy event.

Snowypeaks · 20/11/2024 20:16

From the Guardian:

Mace’s bill comes as Republicans have attacked transgender people as part of a broader political culture-war strategy, limiting what bathrooms they can use and the youth sports teams they can play on.
In other parts of the world, when people are "attacked", it means that they are murdered, driven from their homes, stripped of property, imprisoned. In America in 2024, insisting that a male people use the facilities that they have been using until 5 minutes ago is an "attack". Male people's choice of loo is "limited". As are the youth sports teams they can play on. Boo fucking hoo. Join the club. We are all "limited" like that.

NotBadConsidering · 20/11/2024 20:13

She posted on Bluesky a selfie taken in a women’s bathroom, saying: “We’re all just people trying to pee in peace.”

What part of “peeing in peace” involves taking a selfie FFS?

Just walk into the men’s, pee, and walk out. No one cares.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/11/2024 20:12

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2024 19:30

They passed it.

Single sex spaces now protected on the basis of biological sex in the Capitol building.

Amazing! Well done Rep Nancy Mace! Flowers

AlisonDonut · 20/11/2024 20:04

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 19:44

To some, it matters. To others, it doesn't.

I know a trans guy who is not on hormones and has not has surgery. He is comfortable as he is and has been out for over a decade. In his own words, "nobody else decides what I am and nobody can take who I am away from me based on their own perceptions."

Not every trans person needs every single treatment in order to feel good in their skin.

What makes this person 'trans' then?

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 20/11/2024 20:04

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 19:51

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14106583/trans-congress-member-sarah-mcbride-banned-womens-bathroom.html

The Mail has just updated their article this evening.

There's an important quote in it:

Mace had introduced a bill to ban transgender women from using female restrooms on Capitol Hill.

Johnson, the GOP leader, finally weighed in on the controversy in a statement Wednesday saying McBride would have to use the restroom of her biological sex.

'All single-sex facilities in the Capitol and House Office Buildings — such as restrooms, changing rooms, and locker rooms — are reserved for individuals of that biological sex,' Johnson said in his statement.

'It is important to note that each Member office has its own private restroom, and unisex restrooms are available throughout the Capitol,' he went on. 'Women deserve women’s only spaces.'

So not only do Congress members have their own private facilities, but there is ALSO unisex facilities available.

The update now reads as if the intention of the bill is to seek to uphold single sex provision as single sex rather than be evil witches to transwomen. And the Democrats look even worse with this because they don't want to 'compromise' with the third space option as this isn't regarded as good enough.

If accurate it colours things slightly differently in terms of language being used and the context of the matter.

What do you call a man who has the choice of men's single sex bathrooms, a personal bathroom just for them alone, and unisex bathrooms and yet still chooses to go into the women's despite knowing that will probably exclude many women and retraumatise rape survivors?

It starts with a p and that man is no friend to women, the idea they claim to be one when actively destroying women's rights, safety, privacy and dignity is ludicrous.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:03

Theeyeballsinthesky · 20/11/2024 19:59

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/nov/20/sarah-mcbride-trans-bathroom-ban

men always gonna men tho! I mean who cares what women want

(also do they really not think we can’t see that photo is filtered to fuck)

Just trying to pee in peace.

Ok so what's wrong with just using their own private toilet or the unisex ones?

Or do they have loud music blarring in these?

He's using the women.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 20:01

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:00

The person I am talking about is a trans man.

Not a trans woman.

Still applies.

They are female.

They don't get to choose. There are scenarios where this wouldn't be ok with men anymore than women.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 20:00

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 19:54

Hmm.

So women don't get to define themselves.

Just transwomen.

Ok. Got it.

It's not dripping in sexism and a total disrespect and disregard for women at all.

If you want to be a second class citizen, you do you.

Meanwhile women who don't shouldnt be berated for sticking up for being equal citizen and shamed for saying 'this is bollocks'.

The person I am talking about is a trans man.

Not a trans woman.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 19:54

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 19:44

To some, it matters. To others, it doesn't.

I know a trans guy who is not on hormones and has not has surgery. He is comfortable as he is and has been out for over a decade. In his own words, "nobody else decides what I am and nobody can take who I am away from me based on their own perceptions."

Not every trans person needs every single treatment in order to feel good in their skin.

Hmm.

So women don't get to define themselves.

Just transwomen.

Ok. Got it.

It's not dripping in sexism and a total disrespect and disregard for women at all.

If you want to be a second class citizen, you do you.

Meanwhile women who don't shouldnt be berated for sticking up for being equal citizen and shamed for saying 'this is bollocks'.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 19:51

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14106583/trans-congress-member-sarah-mcbride-banned-womens-bathroom.html

The Mail has just updated their article this evening.

There's an important quote in it:

Mace had introduced a bill to ban transgender women from using female restrooms on Capitol Hill.

Johnson, the GOP leader, finally weighed in on the controversy in a statement Wednesday saying McBride would have to use the restroom of her biological sex.

'All single-sex facilities in the Capitol and House Office Buildings — such as restrooms, changing rooms, and locker rooms — are reserved for individuals of that biological sex,' Johnson said in his statement.

'It is important to note that each Member office has its own private restroom, and unisex restrooms are available throughout the Capitol,' he went on. 'Women deserve women’s only spaces.'

So not only do Congress members have their own private facilities, but there is ALSO unisex facilities available.

The update now reads as if the intention of the bill is to seek to uphold single sex provision as single sex rather than be evil witches to transwomen. And the Democrats look even worse with this because they don't want to 'compromise' with the third space option as this isn't regarded as good enough.

If accurate it colours things slightly differently in terms of language being used and the context of the matter.

First trans Congress member is banned from using women's bathrooms

Speaker Mike Johnson issued a statement determining whether the first transgender member of Congress Sarah McBride can use the women's restrooms on Capitol Hill.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14106583/trans-congress-member-sarah-mcbride-banned-womens-bathroom.html

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2024 19:47

So.some people are defined by their bodies, and others aren't.

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 19:44

Runor · 20/11/2024 11:20

So some people are defined through their bodies (unconsenting women, for instance, they tend to be actually female) but some people aren’t? Is that right? 🤔

To some, it matters. To others, it doesn't.

I know a trans guy who is not on hormones and has not has surgery. He is comfortable as he is and has been out for over a decade. In his own words, "nobody else decides what I am and nobody can take who I am away from me based on their own perceptions."

Not every trans person needs every single treatment in order to feel good in their skin.

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2024 19:36

It's a pretty clear.line in the sand.

lcakethereforeIam · 20/11/2024 19:35

That's excellent and an important signal, but would I be right in thinking it's the battle not the war?

ArabellaScott · 20/11/2024 19:30

They passed it.

Single sex spaces now protected on the basis of biological sex in the Capitol building.

Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress
lifeturnsonadime · 20/11/2024 13:39

Great post @RedToothBrush

I see no reason at all why we should treat the wishes of males who identify as trans women as more important than the needs of women.

The only reason anyone could treat those males as more important is sexism.

Which is exactly why a return to sex based rights should be applauded.

RedToothBrush · 20/11/2024 12:38

PinkChesnut · 20/11/2024 11:12

I am not American and am not speaking through an American lens. I live here temporarily. And seeing as I am not a citizen I cannot vote or donate to any candidates or party.

If it's not an American lens it's a tone deaf response.

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 20/11/2024 12:06

Runor · 20/11/2024 11:20

So some people are defined through their bodies (unconsenting women, for instance, they tend to be actually female) but some people aren’t? Is that right? 🤔

Sounds an awful lot like supremacism and colonization where some people get to self define and others have things imposed upon them without their consent.

GailBlancheViola · 20/11/2024 12:05

Given that Russia’s Deputy Chairman of the Security Council, Dimitry Medvedev, said today that it’s WW3 if any foreign power fires missiles into its territory,

And what prompted Dimitry Medvedev to issue that threat?

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