Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

One small step for woman. One giant leap for womankind.

Oh FFS not this again.

Some secondary sexual characteristics exist on a spectrum. Sex itself is a binary.

Slightly shy of 50% of the population generate sperm and come with built-in sperm injection equipment, known as penises. Around 50% of the population are born with ovaries full of unripe eggs that they release roughly monthly for several decades of their lives. The people with the eggs tend to have uteruses to gestate the eggs, should fertilisation occur. These two groups make up the unequivocally male and unequivocally female members of the human species respectively.

The tiny proportion of the population with neither eggs nor sperm aren't on a spectrum between the two. They are sterile and this is usually because developmentally something has gone amiss. "Amiss" is a reasonable description here: some of the ways in which sexual development goes amiss can be fatal because kidney function is also impaired.

The existence of a tiny proportion of people who are sterile does not negate the forced pregnancy risk that the sperm generators as a class pose to the egg releasers because a minority of the sperm generators choose to commit rape against the egg releasers. This forced pregnancy risk is what makes single-sex loos, dormitories, changing rooms, and bathing facilities necessary.

No amount of waffling and hand-waving and special feelings about oneself makes this reality go away. Again, reality is what persists when you stop believing in it. Rape-induced pregnancies are very much real.

Yes, but those features of brains don't come in a "mosaic of male and female features". They are one or the other.

Very well said, sanluca!

Sadly, I doubt if it will make even the tiniest impact on PinkChesnut who has already shown a disregard for facts, e.g. the law she claimed said something was shown not to say it, but she just sailed majestically on in the wrong, while magnanimously wishing us 'calm days ahead'

As Kucinghitam said on another thread recently: "You can't reason somebody out of a position they didn't reason themselves in to."

“Then he goes on to say brains aren't sexed (correct), but have male and female features.”

Brains DO have male and female features!! Male brains are structured to fit in a male shaped skull. And female brains are shaped to fit in a female shaped skull.

And female brains have more delicate brain fibres than male brains.

Do you think that is what the author referred to?

Nancy Mace is a rape survivor. She has every right in the world to women's safe spaces.

Because it doesn't suit their "trans are the most oppressed people ever" narrative.

I thought I was a cat when I was six. Doesn't make me anything other than human.

Reality is all the stuff that carries on happening and existing whether you believe in it or not. This person you know carries on being female, regardless of anyone's opinion on the subject.

Brilliant 👏

I'd just add that even if humans could change sex (spoiler, we can't) there are still only two sexes. Clown fish and other species that can, go from male to female (or vice versa). There's no intermediate. There's no third, fourth or fifth sex. There's male or female. A binary, not a spectrum.

"PinkChesnut:
^*I would strongly disagree. At worst, science is still debating and it's undecided, at best, sex is a spectrum.

www.sapiens.org/biology/biological-science-rejects-the-sex-binary-and-thats-good-for-humanity/*^"

I love these kind of articles for the absolute lack of clear outline, arguments and conclusion.

So to argue there are no sexes, fish and lizards are brought into play. Well, we all know humans are not fish nor lizards, so that argument is nonsense.

If we could crawl into the womb with a fetus at about six to eight weeks of age, we’d see a few clusters of cells in the emerging body get nudges by DNA activity and start to generate new organs, including the clitoris and penis, labia and scrotum, ovaries and testes. All genitals are made from the exact same stuff.
Yes, everything is made from the same stuff in you break it down small enough, but womens don't pee out of their clitoris and ovaries don't contain the y chromosome, so try again.

In fact, of the 140 million babies born last year, at least 280,000000 did not fit into a clear penis versus labia model of sex determination. Genitals, hormone levels, and chromosomes are not reliable determinants of sexsex.
Redefining the word reliable here. 0.002% inaccuracy is really very very reliable.

Then he goes on to say brains aren't sexed (correct), but have male and female features. No idea what those are though, or how you can recognise them, so again, not an argument but an opinion with zero foundation.

Of course, there are clear bodily differences in capacities to give birth and lactate, and ranges of patterns in the development and distribution of body size, strength, and myriad other processes
So there are two sexes!

But such patterns are mostly overlapping, and only a few are distributed in clear or functional dichotomies.
The capacity to give birth is a very clear distinction and not overlapping at all. Did he mean to make our arguments for us?

Then he goes on to nature and nurture and arguing that both sexes can be masculine or feminine. Again, same argument you can read on FWR.

Summary: nowhere does he explain what makes sex non binary, he contradicts himself, make our arguments for us and descends in mixing up gender and sex.

Try harder

Good God, somehow that essay is even more dreadfully written than the usual TRA standby - that dismal Scientific American article. It's just a rehash of...other species can change sex, pink/blue brain bullshit and the deeply unpleasant co-opting of DSD's.

That's the best argument that can be mustered? Really?

Ooosh.

And? Is this 'the wrong woman is saying things' issue again?

Snigger.

The one way traffic is fascinating isn't it?

No. She is only tryng to score points and press.
She is anti-abortion, supports the SCOTUS overturning of abortion rights, and has voted against the women's Healthcare act of 2022 that would have ensured a woman's right to treatment if her pregnancy was endangering her life.

This.

your choice of words have no power over how someone else feels about themselves

Oh good. So I can choose to call all male people men and they'll be fine about it? And we can all go home?

Why does the Guardian update omit the bit about the private toilet and the unisex facilities?

Territorial pissing.

Well that is good news.

Can't this just be done universally? Not difficult is it?

Can someone send the memo to BlueSky?

He is no more special than all the other men who are also keeping out of women’s facilities.

Quite.

Whats a wibble AlisonDonut?

Can we define a wibble legally in a way thats useable on a practical level?

Just like legal definitions of what a woman is without completely imploding when it comes to the Equality Act and existing protected characteristics in law?

I mean if you are a wibble, then sex discrimination and protections based on sex don't apply anymore.

Equally if she's not a wibble and claims to be a man not a woman, what does this mean in practice? Well a pregnant man wouldn't be entitled to maternity benefits and protections as the law stands - theres been concerns about this which have been voiced by numerous rights lawyers about this if the definition of sex is altered.

She couldn't be the victim of homosexual discrimination if she's attracted to women rather than men. And she couldn't be the victim of sex discrimination.

These wouldn't be covered by discrimination on the basis of gender reassignment...

Equally if you replace sex in law with gender then ALL women lose various sex based rights and this is particularly true for lesbians who ALSO lose all homosexual based rights because being homosexual is no longer merely attraction to the same sex.

Its not for her to decide this legal implication on behalf of all women.

So a female without any treatment uses the male toilets without any issues?

Great news!!!

This needs to be spread far and wide so no male who declares they are unsafe in the male toilet has to worry. All male people are safe, even female people who has had no treatment is safe.

Thank you! I am sure many people will find this reassuring.

I must admit I use a shorthand to decipher the reference to woman or man when ‘trans’ is placed before it. I personally clock the ‘trans’ bit as ‘fake’ or ‘pretend’. I can then identify the correct sex of the person who is being referred to. Just my personal way of cutting through the meaningless and obfuscating language code.

Exactly.

Agree to use services and spaces according to biological sex, stop telling children unscientific bullshit, and we can all go home.

It’s almost as if telling men clearly no can be met with a shrug, move on and a focus on other things. Now it just needs to happen at every legislative and sporting level. If that happened this whole nonsense could be over in 6 months.

By the by, I stumbled on this meme.