Republican Congresswoman bring forward Bill to ban transwomen from female facilities in Congress

Lots of girls take selfies in bathrooms. I certainly do. Why is the selfie taking an issue?

It’s a man taking a selfie in the women’s bathroom. Do you think it’s appropriate for men to have cameras and recording equipment in women’s spaces?

It seems to me you want to skate around Mace's inconsistent track record of supporting women's rights to reinforce your belief that she is doing this current pony show for the benefit of women

I am not skating around anything. I am interested in this single thing. She has done this one thing which is to the benefit of women. Regardless of any perceived inconsistency, she has got this right. Hasn’t she?

This is for her own political gain, and she will use your support and the support of other gender criticals like you to justify that she has mandate as she takes away nofault divorce, women's healthcare, redflag gun background checks, and protections against domestic violence.

🤣 more doom mongering. “Dear Congresswoman Mace, we agree with you on single sex spaces, but disagree with you on nofault divorce, women's healthcare, redflag gun background checks, and protections against domestic violence. Have a nice day. Kind regards, etc”.

That wasn’t difficult was it?

Women will die from illegal abortions and because their abusive ex-husbands have gotten their hands on guns.

You’re blaming this on people supporting single sex spaces in a building in Washington DC? Decades old problems of abortion rights and gun control is now our fault? Do you have any idea how that sounds?

And you'll cheer Mace on regardless. Unfathomably naive.

You do realise no one is marrying Mace, don’t you? It’s not in sickness or in health, till death do us part, lifelong commitment? What makes you think we will cheer everything she does forever more? You don’t sound naive, you sound inflexible.

Lots of girls take selfies in bathrooms. I certainly do. Why is the selfie taking an issue?

It seems to me you want to skate around Mace's inconsistent track record of supporting women's rights to reinforce your belief that she is doing this current pony show for the benefit of women. She is not. This is for her own political gain, and she will use your support and the support of other gender criticals like you to justify that she has mandate as she takes away nofault divorce, women's healthcare, redflag gun background checks, and protections against domestic violence.

Women will die from illegal abortions and because their abusive ex-husbands have gotten their hands on guns.

And you'll cheer Mace on regardless. Unfathomably naive.

No I am talking about a specific man, McBride, who was intent on entering women’s spaces in the Capitol building where he is known to take selfies.

So why would Mace need to implement policy for POTUS, given the chances of him ever using the toilets at all are slim (maybe a nervous pre-State of the Union wee?) and will be guaranteed to be in a private POTUS toilet?

But it’s completely logical she needs to implement policy for a specific man, McBride, who has specifically said he intends to use the women’s toilets, isn’t it? So it’s not motivated by hate, it’s motivated by reality.

I will, for this exercise, pretend we are talking about two cis men.

One goes into women's spaces and relieves himself in the privacy of a bathroom stall, washes his hands, and leaves.

The other goes into women's spaces and rapes them.

These two are not the same.

She didn't say "oh we've a rapist and a felon moving into the White House, so we better be sure he's not legally allowed in the bathrooms!" That's how I know her motivations are merely to score points by targeting trans women.

You’re going to have to explain how part A of this paragraph leads to part B.

Why would she need to push for clear rules to keep a man who knows he’s not allowed to be in women’s spaces, and is clear about the need for women’s spaces, (regardless of his previous attitudes) instead of for a man who has clearly stated his intentions to enter women’s spaces in the building?

Who’s more likely to enter a woman’s space in the Capitol building? POTUS with all of his secret service agents, or a man who has publicly said he will?

I certainly would respect Mace's motives if she denounced the rapist in charge of her party who has bragged about assaulting women and barging into change rooms where young women were naked. But she hasn't and she won't because she is fine with Trump and his misogynistic ways. She never introduced a bill because Trump, who has violated women and women's spaces, is about to come onto the hill. She didn't say "oh we've a rapist and a felon moving into the White House, so we better be sure he's not legally allowed in the bathrooms!" That's how I know her motivations are merely to score points by targeting trans women. She does not care about women's safety or she would not have helped put a rapist in the White House.

At least Moulton isn't a hypocrit, and I respect his motivations (concerns for his daughters vs Mace being punative to people she doesn't like).

I am still undecided about single sex sports. I participated in both mixed and single sex and in certain events was the only girl competing amongst boys (and placed often enough), so I haven't made up my mind personally about it.

I never said I think he isn't serious.

I said he was unserious.

Those are not the same things and have different meanings.

So if Mace said “I don’t align with Trump” and still tried to enforce single sex spaces, you think that would then be a reasonable thing for her to do? So it’s only reasonable if she fulfils your small ask of denouncing someone you don’t like?

Is there anyone else she can’t be aligned with before she’s legitimate, in your eyes?

Is Seth Moulton correct in wanting single sex sports for his daughters, given he’s a Democrat and not aligned with Trump?

Yes, luckily it’s them instead of you, who think a person like that isn’t serious.

Sums it up!

Would you mind posting a threadreader app version of the whole thing as a favour for non-TwiXers?

I am sure Mace's security team and the police have it well in hand.

Expecting someone who brings a bathroom bill to the table to also speak out against their party leader who has gone into women's change rooms and raped a woman is a pretty small ask.

No, what people here are doing is not getting dragged into whataboutery. You seem to be suggesting that the only people who can bring about changes to protect single sex spaces for woman and girls are people who have no associations at all with anyone you don’t like. So my questions are:

a) how pure does someone need to be before you consider their attempt to protect women’s spaces to be legitimate enough for you? And

b) who do you conceive might fit this criteria? Like a person, or party, who anyone, who would you suggest?

I think it’s dangerous to assume he’s a fool and a numpty just because he displayed his hatred so openly. Dismissing calls like this as just another crank without investigating or more evidence to hand is a poor risk assessment.

I'm giving it more consideration and energy than any of you have of Mace's support of Trump.

I am certainly giving it more energy than Mace has given protecting women from rapists like Trump.

Oh no, death threats ARE serious. I meant he is a fool and a numpty for sending a death threat. This helps no one, and is not harm reductive in the least.

And as pp said, it's just proving her point.

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

Don't put yourself out condemning violent threats to politicians or anything. How typical of the right side of history (sarcasm)

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

Ok, you’re going to have to walk me through this one. The most serious of threat, a death threat, makes it not serious? What?

So does that mean if the caller had threatened to take the staffer out for a cup of tea you’d be sending the feds?

I posted this on the thread discussing the Democrats post US election but I think it applies here too - particularly the photos and videos in the second TwiX link at the bottom of my post.

I came across this tweet thread from an American Left-leaning man discussing what’s going on in the US at the moment with regards politics, election fallout, Congressional toilet policy, free speech and I thought it might be of interest to the thread:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859276515508199830

“Ok, time for a nuanced discussion on this topic, and some backstory:
I suspect a large chunk of ppl who currently are absolutely opposed to ANY man in women's spaces today (myself included) would have probably agreed with Chad here 5+ years ago (myself included).

Most of us probably would have thought something similar, like "well, if the person is passing and looks like a woman, I don't see the problem with them just using the bathroom". And if that's all that was happening - ppl who pass as women just using the bathroom - the current backlash occuring now likely would never have happened.

But that isn't all that happened, is it?

Over the past few years, it became increasingly clear that something else was going on, and that accelerated when Elon Musk bought this platform and prioritized the ability to speak truth against politically convenient narratives. We started seeing videos of men masturbating in women's bathrooms, started seeing SM posts of very obviously non-dysphoric men taking "trophy hunting" pictures of themselves triumphantly posting pictures of themselves in women's bathrooms, smugly bragging about their new access to these spaces, and gloating about the fact the actual women whom these spaces were created for couldn't do a thing about it. All of these things that we saw were things that we never saw on pre-Musk Twitter, and anyone posting them was banned.

And very quickly, we were radicalized.

There was a window - albeit brief - a few years ago when the trans community could have done something to prevent much of this. They could have acknowledged that self-id was a disaster, that it was a safeguarding nightmare, and that the so-called "true trans" (for lack of a better term) was outnumbered 10 to 1 by predators, perverts, sexual deviants and sex pests PRETENDING to be trans just to satisfy their paraphilic desires. This was obvious to any impartial observer easily a few years ago. Had the trans community correctly recognized the issue, recognized the safeguarding nightmare it was creating, and began policing itself and made very clear that these types of men did not represent their community, things MAY have turned out differently.

But they didn't. Instead, they doubled down, they said "anyone who claims to be trans IS trans" and called anyone concerned about the safety of women and girls in these spaces bigots, Nazis and transphobes. They refused to compromise even one inch, while demanding women give up everything. Absolutely no sacrifices were required by the men who wanted in, and every sacrifice demanded by the women who said no.

And so we were forced to come to the logical conclusion that, well, apparently these predators and sex pests must actually BE part of the trans community. And since they're the majority of the trans community, that must mean the community as a whole is a degenerate, sexually deviant group of predators who are a danger to women and girls, even while we acknowledge that there DO exist trans ppl who are not that, who really just DO want to live their lives in peace. Unfortunately, they are the minority. And in short order, we were radicalized.

And so that window for an alternate scenario closed. Positions have hardened on both sides, and all of the people who might have considered compromise a few short years ago have landed on the only reasonable position: that since the trans community refuses to police itself, we will have to do it for them. And since women CAN NOT TELL which men in their bathrooms "just want to pee" and which ones want to jerk off in the next stall listening to THEM pee, the only safe and effective solution to this problem is that ALL men - regardless of how they identify - must be kept out of women's spaces. And for all these ppl, there is no going back.
And the trans community has absolutely nobody to blame but themselves for that.”

Link below to the rest of his thread (with videos & reports of men behaving inappropriately in women’s public toilets - content warning) which gives examples to explain his change of mind on the issues he discusses above:

https://x.com/Rob_ThaBuilder/status/1859277572359463091

If he didn't use burner app, he was very silly.

But sending her a death threat leads me to believe he is already deeply unserious.

I dislike Mace and her politics, and I know she has no problem with rapists because she supports Trump, but there's no reason to send her death threats.

In fairness to Rep Mace, the caller gave his phone number and invited return calls.

Allllllll of the fuss, and threats, and insults hurled at Mace are only proving her points.

Yes, police should be doing the responding.

I believe so. That's not so cool.

Someone has posted his address too. There are several comments that the voicemail is full.

It should have been a police job not encouraging harassment as revenge, regardless of how much of a prick this guy is.

I'm guessing he probably won't do it again though.