Gender critical lesbian "forced" to leave lesbian bar after being accused of a "hate crime"

Would you care to say a bit more for those of us who are less connected?

Several pp’s have asked how she was causing trouble. Do you really think that women with ‘problematic views’ shouldn’t be allowed to go out for a drink @Christinapple because that would be ‘causing trouble’?
You might think that’s a reasonable view, but I’m sure other readers can see the misogyny

If someone is going to stand up against the TRA monolith, you kind of need that person to be capable of attracting attention, garnering publicity and raising money, though.

I'm a lesbian. I know people who know Jenny Watson very well, one who worked with her. I will not be contributing to a crowdfunder and nor will a great many lesbians who are acquainted with her. I've never known a woman attract so much trouble and get so much publicity and support, some of it financial, as a result.

Yes, I'd also like to know how she was causing trouble. According to the report, she didn't even speak to anyone else there.
How do you 'cause trouble' by quietly having a drink with friends and not engaging with anyone else?
She was only kicked out because someone recognised her as being openly lesbian on social media, not because she did anything at the bar.

Doesn't mean you can use said belief to cause trouble at a bar or anywhere else for that matter.

You're shading into the Constable Savage sketch from Not the Nine O'Clock News.

I read that case and the situation is entirely different.

And there doesn't seem to be any evidence this woman was causing trouble. Someone just objected to her known beliefs due to recognising her from social media. Is that OK? Doesn't sound it to me.

You really a piece of work. Do tell us exactly how she was causing trouble.....

Doesn't mean you can use said belief to cause trouble at a bar or anywhere else for that matter.

It wasn't long ago a man with such beliefs put joke-pronouns as his email signature in his Council job in some sort of "protest" and refused to remove them. The outcome of that was he was fired, he then took the Council to court and lost and had to pay a big fine.

What do you think the police would have said if they'd ejected her for her known public adherence to some other belief system (say, she was a Muslim convert)?

I wish she would sue, but I suppose she has better things to do with her time.

For anyone who doesn't know, her beliefs are as mild as milk and totally Grainger compliant. She's fine with trans-inclusive lesbian bars. She just thinks lesbians should also be allowed to have at least one bar that's for females only.

The police wouldn't give a shit because discrimination under the Equality Act 2010 is a civil matter, not a criminal one.

‘And fifty years on, the oppressor is still a white male ...’

TBF , the skin colour of the male is pretty irrelevant here. Plenty of this sort of thing across the racial spectrum…..

I must say I was sympathetic to transgender people (because I would not want anyone to be discriminated against) but this type of nonsense has made me hardened my views on the issue.

Yes @Startingagainandagain I'm the same. I find I have a knee jerk reaction of suspicion to people claiming trans identities now. I don't like this about myself, and I have to remind myself to live and let live, but this is the what transactivist batshittery has done. It's an own goal for ordinary transpeople.

possibly asked to leave with the oppressor generally being a white male and the victim being lesbian and female.

And fifty years on, the oppressor is still a white male ...

Same.

She was discriminated against for her gender critical views. Which include the fact that homosexuality is based on sex.

It's absolutely fucking batshit that lesbians had to set up their own bars in order to meet other women, and exclude men. And now those exact same men have forced their way in and are exercising their sexism and homophobia all over again.

I would absolutely contribute towards setting up a female only bar. Again.

Yes, gender critical beliefs are protected but sexual orientation is also a protected characteristic.
She's a lesbian being discriminated against for being openly lesbian by publicly refusing to include men in her dating life. That's why she is 'familiar' on social media and why she was recognised. I think this is just good old fashioned homophobia.
If she does sue, I'd hope that this would be the reason. I'd very much like to see the right of lesbians to be openly lesbian set into case law too.

Ah, je m’excuse! Didn’t see this. Sorry 😔 @sadmillenial

In fairness, sadmillenial immediately posted 'I stand corrected'.

I think you need to get up to speed on this issue especially if you’re going to post on this board!

Yay, inclusion (but not for lesbians who don’t do d@ck), what are they doing in a lesbian bar! Yay, Diversity (but not diversity of thought obv., no wrong think here)!

Dear God this woman hadn’t actually done anything wrong but someone in the bar disliked her and got bar staff to manhandle her out??

So much for tolerance and pretty rainbows 🌈 🤮

Judging by last year's contretemps and this one, she might launch a fundraiser for her own bar/dating app (mentioned in story).

But she argues that as a growing number of males identify as female and lesbian, there is a need to protect single-sex spaces. She plans to launch her own bar and dating app for biologically female lesbians only.
‘Lesbians are under attack, not by the outside world, but by the LGBTQ+ movement. If a man can dictate who gets to stay in a lesbian bar, then lesbian spaces are no longer safe for lesbians. This has to change.’
A spokeswoman for the bar said She had been ‘a safe and welcoming environment for the LGBTQ+ community’ for more than 20 years, and that police had attended and ‘dismissed any claims of unlawful ejection’.
Ms Watson was involved in a transphobia row last year when she said only ‘adult human females’ could join her lesbian speed-dating events.

Jenny has commented on the DM article saying that 2/3 of the bar staff were also men pretending to be women. She said she was going to tweet some more details about the incident. Has anyone seen her tweets?

Or to put it another way...

... Today an openly lesbian woman in a bar faces discrimination and is asked to leave with the oppressor generally being a white male.

The only difference is, instead of punishing women who won't fuck him because he's a man, he punishes women who won't fuck him while pretending he's a woman.