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Gender identity as a trauma response

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BonfireLady · 13/11/2024 17:29

I'm aware that the Cass Report cites trauma as one of the co-morbidities that needs to be unpicked when examining the reasons why someone might feel gender dysphoria, that looked after children are over-represented proportionally in gender clinics (and many have experienced trauma) and of lots of anecdotal accounts of people who have experienced trauma (e.g. sexual assault) identifying as the opposite sex. The common theme behind all of it is the idea of a gender identity developing as a trauma response.

What I'm not aware of, but would like to collate to share with someone I'm talking to currently, is any papers or books specifically on this.

Does anyone on this board know of any?

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onlytherain · 13/11/2024 20:42

There should be something in the US or Canada. I saw a youtube video in which someone referred to statistics. I will look for it.

Another problem never mentioned is that traumatised children often have severe toileting issues: incontinence, soiling, urinating, smearing poo at walls etc. They are often very scared of going to the toilet, of being locked in cubicles etc. Toilets are a huge issue for many traumatised children and this often continues into the teenage years. They need safe spaces in which they can go to the toilet, free from people of the opposite sex.

BonfireLady · 13/11/2024 20:38

Thank you for sharing that @Pinkbonbon 💐

Also, this seems pertinent:

It may be that there's just night enough information, or at least, official studies on it yet.
Many people don't want to talk about their childhood abuse until they've grown up afterall and this new wave of trans identity is still in its relative infancy.

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Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2024 20:30

I have never ever head anyone else talk about the prevalence of the development of ocd in teenage girls and how when coupled with and revolving around physical vulnerability or things like tokophobia (fear of pregnancy on childbirth) it can cause extreme distress and discomfort about one's body. That was my own experience and I'm so glad i wasn't around with trans was a big thing as I would have absolutely viewed myself as a boy. Because my body (and its vulnerablities) were just 'not me' or anything I wanted to be a part of. I wanted to distance myself from it - for saftey.

Going on the pill and overcoming my ocd, resolved things for me.

Some women may of course feel vulnerable due to sexual assaults. Causing that severe wish to disconnect with their bodies. But for me it was the ocd that upped the anxieties.

If you look at childfree forums, you'll see many people discuss tockophobia and also, being trans. But like I say I've never heard other people talk about the obvious connections. Even though we know things like ocd amd other mental health issues often develop in teen years. And so can anxieties and phobias.

Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2024 20:19

It may be that there's just night enough information, or at least, official studies on it yet.

Many people don't want to talk about their childhood abuse until they've grown up afterall and this new wave of trans identity is still in its relative infancy.

Not to mention , it suits some people and institutions for such discussions and studies to be quashed.

I suspect 20 years from now it'll be common place discussion from many detransitioners.

BonfireLady · 13/11/2024 20:10

Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2024 19:53

It reminds me of watching shows where people are very overweight and disproportionately seem to have suffered sexual abuse in their childhood and teens and say they feel that they ate in order to feel protected from men. Which I guess makes sense. No longer wanting to appeal to the opposite sex, for saftey purposes.

So maybe there's some studies on that that would be useful to learn about and, could be transferable.

Yes, likewise for anorexia.

Whilst it's useful to say it's similar to these things (because it is) it would be so much better to have something to point to that pulls it all together. Otherwise it just comes across as me offering an opinion that it's similar.

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BonfireLady · 13/11/2024 20:07

ToiletTroubles · 13/11/2024 19:49

I don't have any articles to hand but will be interested to see what is (hopefully) posted here in response to your question.

In the meantime, have you heard of the Bayswater Support group? Quite a lot of info on their site:

https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Thank you. I hadn't thought to look through their resources. I've just had a look now and unfortunately there is nothing specifically on a trauma response. I'll have a look through Transgender Trend, Sex Matters and Safe Schools Alliance too to see if they have anything on it.

It's frustrating that we hear it so often anecdotally but I don't recall seeing anything specifically about it.

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Toseland · 13/11/2024 19:54

You would think that the government would task someone the job of looking into that further, wouldn't you?

Pinkbonbon · 13/11/2024 19:53

It reminds me of watching shows where people are very overweight and disproportionately seem to have suffered sexual abuse in their childhood and teens and say they feel that they ate in order to feel protected from men. Which I guess makes sense. No longer wanting to appeal to the opposite sex, for saftey purposes.

So maybe there's some studies on that that would be useful to learn about and, could be transferable.

ToiletTroubles · 13/11/2024 19:49

I don't have any articles to hand but will be interested to see what is (hopefully) posted here in response to your question.

In the meantime, have you heard of the Bayswater Support group? Quite a lot of info on their site:

https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk/

Bayswater Support – For Parents with Trans-identified Kids

https://www.bayswatersupport.org.uk