La leche league trustee resigns because of trans inclusive policy

m.youtube.com/watch?v=sqQFOpbdtKE

Just to echo earlier comments.

Whether or not for some it is a fetish, but it fits within what seems to be the driving force of TRAs, to either invade and colonise women's space, services, toilets, or to make it seem socially unacceptable that women only talk to and support other women.

The TRA as an embodiment of the male sex class, dictatating to and over ruling women, would never have been able to gain the power it has, if it wasn't built on the existing power of MRAs.

Behind every word mangled justification is the reality of the threat, women know your place.

"basically saying if men are included in these groups women have to go and set up women only ones."

Surely the whole point is these previously were women only groups but men have targeted and infiltrated them. Set up new groups and men will follow there too.

It's so depressing.

I don't think (in their opinion) that all women and babies in the world add up to the worth of a single man.

If we did, this bullshit would never have got off the ground!

So are these people happy that no women will be helped as a result?

how many babies or women add up to value the equivalent of someone born male? In the eyes of the letchy league?

Glad that the Helen Joyce interview got posted!
Maybe new name Los Lechers League, as there will be more than one lech.

That's a good article. But a lactation fetish isn't mentioned anywhere.

This is also part of the problem. TRAs have done such a good job of pretending this is all about the rights of a minority, that any hint of it being a paraphilia is frequently avoided in the media.

How has an ideology that denies the differences between male and female affected an organisation founded to promote something only females can do, I ask Tompson. By stealth,

I bet. Slowly and deliberately as the Denton report said.

I agree. Fetishistic men are the driving force, (in my opinion HQ) but many other men don't care, because why should women get together anyway, what do they talk about for Gods sake.

Look how Mumsnet is targeted so relentlessly.

FWR is devoted to addressing sexism and misogyny, but these men are quite happy to see the entire site shutdown by targeting advertisers.

This is the problem - fetishistic men are relentlessly targeting all women's groups and spaces so many women are just giving up. We know that groups have gone underground or ceased rather than face all the bullying. So depressing.

I was supported by an amazing group of volunteer lactation specialist women in a female only group with my first. I wonder if the group is still going or if men trying to infiltrate has made them give up. All these women tend to give of their time and expertise for free. There's got to be a point where they just think 'fuck this shit' with abusive men. But without that support I would have been in a much worse place.

Watching this it strikes me that perhaps part of the point of this is not just the accommodating of men with lactation fetishes (though that is definitely part of it) but also the disruption of groups where women support each other. It seems to me many driving this want normal women to have nowhere to turn - and the early days after having a baby can be particularly isolating. It's as if they want to stop us talking to each other, certainly without centring men.

It's a bit like the ideology of the Taliban. Not as extreme, sure, but along the same lines.

I watched a very frustrating bit in free speech nation last night (while doing the dishes). Andrew Doyle absent (I suspect he'd have covered the child abuse concern had he been there) but 3 men (Josh Howie, Paul Cox and the clear misogynist Louis Schaeffer) basically saying if men are included in these groups women have to go and set up women only ones. No recognition of the impact on the baby, the potential for child sexual abuse, no recognition that these decisions by established charities cut off support for women when they most need it and there's no NHS support really. No recognition that if women DID set up a female only breastfeeding group, then that would be targeted by men too. No recognition that these groups are moving far away from their stated charitable aims and therefore no longer are legally compliant.

It made me think of the Pelicot case - these are the men who stand by whilst other men abuse women or (in this case) children and are very happy to do so.

The potential for child sexual abuse with lactation fetishists is so obvious that should be the first talking point!

Men just don't care. I wanted to ask them how they'd feel if they found out a man had tried to chest feed them when they were a baby. I doubt they'd be so laissez faire then.

Fantastic article thanks for the share token @Igneococcus Two amazing women, Helen Joyce and Marian Tompson!!

Helen Joyce interview with Marian Tompson in the Times today:
https://www.thetimes.com/article/9de09b9e-898c-4ccd-9471-2ffd6fedce33?shareToken=ddc34df05b97a1379c700d9b307a6f57

Will she happily allow a Trans-‘woman’ to wet nurse her grandchildren with their male nipple in the name of inclusivity?!!!

No…what a surprise. Now fuck off and think about the rights of women and babies.

It's brought The Three Degrees to mind, (You) Dirty Old Man…

Of course, I think it would scan correctly if the words, "Lactophilia" or "You Lactophile (yah)" were substituted. I'd say that I'll think about it some more but I don't want to (IYSWIM).

ILL - International League of Lactophiles.

Yes, I'm bitter. I've spent the morning reading bizarre statistics/analyses for "people who menstruate" or have endometriosis or PCOS that make no sense because the authors won't use the word woman or even "women and transgender [X]".

Should clinicians be using the word ‘woman’ in medical language? Are phrases like ‘human milk’, ‘parental’ and ‘hand-held notes’ preferable to ‘breastmilk’, ‘maternal’ and ‘maternity notes’1? Whether to adopt a new terminology is a complex question, worthy of reflection and analysis, and open dialogue between patients, clinicians and academics. While new phrases might be argued as socially progressive, their ability to translate into medical practice or general health messaging seems currently uncertain. Clinicians might be put into a difficult position of balancing various concerns around language choice in healthcare communication, and it is, therefore, important they are aware of multiple viewpoints.

Dahlen S. Do we need the word 'woman' in healthcare? Postgrad Med J. 2021 Aug 1;97(1150):483-484. doi: 10.1136/postgradmedj-2021-140193. PMID: 37066682.

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It's great. Genius. Le Letch Leagur, Le Letchers League.

I hope it gets picked up everywhere

I'm laughing at this because it's funny and the alternative is to cry.

Le Letch league is the rebrand.

Same here Cake, I pronounced it as “La Lesh League” 😊

Prior to watching Heretics with Helen Joyce I didn't know it was pronounced leh- chay. I never studied Spanish, but I did know 'con leche' so I feel a bit of a fool now. I always would have pronounced it La Letch League, which now seems quite prescient.

Such a brilliant interview worth watching in full. Thanks for the Heretics link.

I did some digging for FWS too.

Thanks for the link, I enjoyed watching that - Helen Joyce is, as usual, on top of her facts and her information.

I’m glad that Sex Matters have decided to try and publicise what LLLIT & GB have done to punish the LLLGB trustees who pointed out that the charity is no longer meetings its objectives as registered with the Charity Commission.

It’s so annoying that EHRC and the Charity Commission are so lax about ensuring that legal obligations are being met by organisations. What is the point of official regulators if they refuse to carry out their obligation to ensure that organisations are complying with legislation and charitable objectives?!

NitroNine · Today 00:15

Over on TwiX Baroness Nicholson has shared the letter she wrote (on 21 November 2024) to the charity commission about them…

What a way with words she has!

...The BBC once managed to find an obscure academic who asserted that excretions from the drug-dependant dugs of men was 'comparable' to breast milk; but this is comparable in the way that a sewer is comparable to a mountain stream.

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Datun · 13/11/2024 18:51

God he's annoying. I know, I know, he's giving her a platform and he agrees, but he's still bloody annoying.

I thought he'd disappeared into obscurity. I agree, his over enthusiastic bombast is quite something.