Results of state-level abortion ballot measures in the US election

My stance on abortion, as someone who has been there in the UK is.:
As soon as possible, as late as necessary, for any woman, for any reason.

However, it's just not a vote winner in the USA, going for, maybe 16 weeks will at least allow the vast majority of women to have the right to choose, and I say this as someone who didn't find out until 19 weeks.

Me too.

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I would leave UK limit where it is.

I dislike the calls for there to be a right to abort to term for no reason and vociferous lobbying for that. I don't particularly want the UK limits to be brought into the spotlight for fear that the time limits are reduced.

I'm actually one of the rare cases of a woman who had an elective, late abortion in the UK.
I didn't find out until 19 weeks, delays in the system pushed that to the cut off limit, I also had to travel from Glasgow to London.
It was a horrible time in my life, but 18 years on I have no regrets.
Access issues and the NHS pushed it right to the limit, not me dithering, and I know from talking to the other women there, they all had the sane problem, and even then only four of us out of six were referred, the other two had to pay because their Drs obstructed them.
There was only one clinic in the country then that took NHS referrals.
I was suicidal, single Mum to a 5yr old and had a mirena coil.

I was sterilised at 30 the following year.

Interesting and important point of detail about Florida. Our limit is likely too high and should come down given advances in medicine. Possibly the reason it hasn't is it's seen as too toxic and politicians run scared from it.

I think you're right. 12-15 weeks is in line with most of Europe and several US states. The UK and the Netherlands are the outliers.

I do not see why abortion for the reason of the child being catastrophically damaged or because the child is dead - let alone ectopic pregnancies being removed - is an issue in the US.

Doctors won't perform them in case they get prosecuted. So women die.

24 weeks is the limit in the UK for elective abortions i.e. where there is no other reason to abort than the woman's choice (of course, many of these abortions will be against the woman's true wishes because of a life-denying threat to the child) - this covers rape and incest afaik. There is no limit on aborting a pregnancy where the child has died (danger of sepsis apart from anything else) or where the abnormalities are incompatible with life i.e. the child will be born dead or die (in pain, often) within hours of birth because of the abnormalities e.g. anencephaly is a cause for aborting a pregnancy. Afaik removing an ectopic pregnancy is not considered an abortion but a surgical procedure since there is no viable child and continuance without intervention will end the life of the mother.
I do not see why abortion for the reason of the child being catastrophically damaged or because the child is dead - let alone ectopic pregnancies being removed - is an issue in the US. But perhaps we are talking about elective abortions and that's why there is an issue?

But the Florida proposal was also up to foetal viability (23-24 weeks).

IMO if they had gone with 12 or 15 weeks it may have passed.

I'm pretty sure school talent shows are.

The 'lesser of two evils' is a well known phrase used to describe two not great things, one of which is better than the other. In my experience no-one using it actually means those things are 'evil'. I would use it to describe things that aren't actually evil - e.g. choosing between visiting the in laws or going to a school event that would be boring. Will obviously have to be more careful in future in case anyone thinks I think my in laws / the school talent show are literally evil!

Most abortions are carried out between 10 and 13 weeks, so it seems these things are generally carried out in a timely manner, so any hysteria over 24 weeks is entirely missed placed.

I'm with you here. Much as I strongly disagree with the poster who called it "evil" when I have loved ones who had to make a horrendous heartbreaking decision on a much-wanted pregnancy at 20+weeks, I have no desire to make windows into posters' souls.

The important thing to me is that abortion becomes/remains legal, accessible and safe, for the women who need it, when they need it, everywhere that they need it. And unfortunately we are still a hell of a long way away from that goal.

The problem for Harris and the dictatorship comments is that she and the left have been behaving like Stalin with the compelled speach, state sponsored child abduction when parents refuse to medically trans their kids and the cover up around Biden's failing faculties. As such it's backfired on her

it is perfectly ok, i think, to hold the opinion that abortion is always evil. That is something each individual person has to decide with their own conscience, and it often comes from a religious type of thinking (not always).

But when the other evil is the woman dying? then the lesser evil should be permitted. Even though it is evil.

As long as abortion is legal, safe and rare, I'm fine with people having that personal opinion.

that death that started circulating the other day, of the young woman with sepsis, happened in 2023.
And that's not what OP said about the Arizona law. She did say that she believes that women should be in control of their own decisions and that clearly setting the limit at 6 weeks is stupid, but she was uncomfortable with the upper limit of 24 weeks.

as the less knee-jerky replies pointed out: those later abortions are rare (thank goodness) and often life saving, so thank goodness they will be allowed.

She didn't say the Arozona law was evil, but did say abortion is always wrong but sometimes the lesser of two evils - which still means evil.

OP did not say the Arizona law was evil. She said she was 'concerned'.

Read what she wrote not what you think she wrote. She also is clearly pro choice,

Guess I spoke too soon when I said this was a place where nuance was possible. 😕

The problem with legal restrictions in the US on abortion is women are dying because doctors fear going to jail. If there is a heartbeat they can't do anything to intervene and women die of sepsis.

Just happened two days ago to a 18 year old woman in Texas. Her mother pleaded with the hospital to do something but they refused cause "fetal viability".

So fuck your opinion that the Arizona law is evil. It will save women's lives.

Yeah , now the smoke has cleared it seems Kamala's two big lines of attack - abortion and the threat of dictatorship - didn't land very well.
The latter was a bit nebulous and hard for people to visualise. And as you and others say , abortion is best tackled at state level now like it or not.
Rightly or wrongly , the emphasis on these two issues made it look like she had no ' forward offer' on the economy. The dems failed to make the case that trade wars , beloved of Trump, hurt farmers and consumers in the USA .
Theres another angle : Trump would have won in 2020 were it not for Covid. It's just the cycle reasserted itself ?

that's why you don't need to worry about Arizona extending the window though. Nobody is going in willy nilly at 24 weeks to have an abortion of a healthy viable foetus unless there are extremely compelling reasons to do with the health (mental or otherwise) of the mother.

I doubt that you'd find (m)any healthcare provider who would agree to perform such a procedure.

The problem is, abortion rights is usually code for controlling women's rights for a lot of men rather than a genuine debate about abortion.