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ditalini · 04/11/2024 19:58

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

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I don't believe you.

TempestTost · 04/11/2024 19:57

Pixilicious1 · 04/11/2024 13:10

My opinion is they did know but virtue signalling was more important to them.

What's your basis for that? You didn't speak to them.

YouAreOne · 04/11/2024 19:57

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

Edited

Please point out the factual errors to us.

Boiledbeetle · 04/11/2024 19:55

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

Edited

Can you highlight them all for us.

Thanks in advance.

Theeyeballsinthesky · 04/11/2024 19:55

TheKeatingFive · 04/11/2024 19:45

What misinformation has Reduxx put out in this article or any other reporting?

I maybe reaching here but judging by inauthentics previous posts, nothing short of IK filming a video of himself saying “yes I’m a man” and changing his name to manny mcmanface would satisfy as evidence

BodyKeepingScore · 04/11/2024 19:48

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

Edited

Reduxx are known to be reliable. Their journalists are second to none. Just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean the rest of us haven't been following their work for a long time. They are fierce when it comes to defending women and children's rights.

spannasaurus · 04/11/2024 19:46

duc748 · 04/11/2024 19:06

“Consent is only a coercive offer: comply with the test or never participate in competitive women’s or girls’ sport, even at sub-elite level,” they wrote.

And this is different from drug-testing, how?

Or the pregnancy tests that female boxers are required to take

TheKeatingFive · 04/11/2024 19:45

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

Edited

What misinformation has Reduxx put out in this article or any other reporting?

NecessaryScene · 04/11/2024 19:45

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

Current score is at zero. Feel free to point any out you've spotted.

hallouminatus · 04/11/2024 19:44

Rutherford's tweet says" New paper out today: Fair and Safe Eligibility Criteria for Women's Sport: The Proposed Testing Regime Is Not Justified, Ethical, or Viable@RugbyGeneStudy @stebbina coauthored by me, @BlairH_PhD @JonathanOspinaB @SGollishRuns et al.
+ Linked rebuttal.

I can't see the "linked rebuttal". Am I missing something?

Inauthentic · 04/11/2024 19:43

I haven’t read all the replies to this thread, but has anyone pointed out how many factual errors are in the article.

I haven't heard about Reduxx before but they are clearly interested in misinformation and are not a reputable source

annejumps · 04/11/2024 19:40

what the patriarchy clearly wants which is females not boxing for sport

Oh, they will still need some female athletes for the male athletes to easily beat.

BecauseRonald · 04/11/2024 19:39

duc748 · 04/11/2024 19:06

“Consent is only a coercive offer: comply with the test or never participate in competitive women’s or girls’ sport, even at sub-elite level,” they wrote.

And this is different from drug-testing, how?

They could always compete in the male category...

TheKeatingFive · 04/11/2024 19:32

Supporterofwomensrights · 04/11/2024 19:29

Reading that Vogue article linked above reminded me that the female opponent who forfeited in the first minute on safety grounds later apologised to IK. Makes my blood boil. How sorry is IK that [insert pronoun] was willing to kill her?

One of the very worst aspects of this

Supporterofwomensrights · 04/11/2024 19:29

Reading that Vogue article linked above reminded me that the female opponent who forfeited in the first minute on safety grounds later apologised to IK. Makes my blood boil. How sorry is IK that [insert pronoun] was willing to kill her?

Grandmasswagbag · 04/11/2024 19:19

Would add that I do have a certain level of sympathy with IK on a personal level. I'm sure they probably were raised as a girl, they may still believe they are a woman on some level..it cant be easy being born with a deformed genitals or dsd anywhere but especially in cultures that have even more rigid gender stereotypes. As a pro athlete they may have been brainwashed and fed all sorts of bollox by the teams around them, for they are often not the brightest of buttons. This is a mess if the IOC's making. But what can female boxers do? An international boycott only harms women's boxing presumably and achieves what the patriarchy clearly wants which is females not boxing for sport. These women won't get another shot as they are in their prime now.

onlytherain · 04/11/2024 19:15

How exactly was this person "born a woman"?

I feel for IK, but they should not be allowed to compete in women's boxing.

Grandmasswagbag · 04/11/2024 19:11

Well Quelle fucking surprise!

NotBadConsidering · 04/11/2024 19:10

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 04/11/2024 12:59

The gender ideologues will still not accept this though. They're too far down the rabbit hole.

Would be better if someone other than redduxx picked it up.

It became international news in the first place because Reduxx picked it up. They are a phenomenal group of fearless journalists who thoroughly investigate their stories, have them well sourced, and do so in the face of abuse from males who don’t want the truth to be revealed. They are the main reason we know about most of the “it’ll never happen” stories.

They deserve massive respect. It should the case of “I’ll only give it credence when Reduxx publish it” not the other way round. If so-called major news organisations or journalists from “proper” sources did their jobs properly, Reduxx wouldn’t have to. They deserve a Pulitzer or equivalent for everything they’ve done.

birdiesings · 04/11/2024 19:06

Some mistake surely! He was on the front cover of Vogue, that must mean he's a woman 😲

duc748 · 04/11/2024 19:06

“Consent is only a coercive offer: comply with the test or never participate in competitive women’s or girls’ sport, even at sub-elite level,” they wrote.

And this is different from drug-testing, how?

annejumps · 04/11/2024 19:03

annejumps · 04/11/2024 19:01

IIRC recruiters seek out places where DSDs like this one are likely because of this inbreeding.

Oh, furthermore as I think we figured out, this is what was being alluded to with the "living in the mountains" remark or whatever. Recruiters know there are pockets of cosanguination due to geographical features where a small population lives in an isolated place.

annejumps · 04/11/2024 19:02

OldCrone · 04/11/2024 18:50

Covered in the Independent here:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/genetic-testing-sport-international-boxing-association-imane-khelif-b2640885.html

This 'paper' is a response to "an editorial by a group of scientists in the Scandinavian Journal of Medicine and Science in Sports (SJMSS) proposed the introduction of sex chromosome testing amid what it described as a “growing concern” over the participation in female sport of athletes with an XY difference of sexual development (XY DSD)."

“The editorial gives the impression that such tests are straightforward – ‘individual consent, confidentiality, and dignity… simple cheek swab… standard medical care’, but these assurances ignore the enormous problems such a testing regime would generate,” the group wrote.

They argue that under the proposal for mandatory genetic testing for sport eligibility, “young athletes would not be presented with a genuine choice” and some would be subjected to invasive examination by gynaecologists.

“Consent is only a coercive offer: comply with the test or never participate in competitive women’s or girls’ sport, even at sub-elite level,” they wrote.

They also question who would pay for and produce the “worldwide army of counselling expertise” required to operate an ethically responsible genetic testing programme.

“For those undergoing follow-up clinical examination and genome sequencing….how would the devastation of young athletes’ personal identity and self-esteem, and the alarm caused to their families, be managed?” they wrote.

“The resultant duty of care of these athletes will fall to the sport federations mandating such assessments, without any realistic prospect of being fulfilled.”

According to them, sex testing would mean that some of these males would "never participate in competitive women’s or girls’ sport, even at sub-elite level", and their "personal identity and self-esteem" would be devastated if they were to undergo sex testing. Not a word about the effect on women and girls of having biological males taking their places in sport and sometimes inflicting harm on their female opponents.

Women don't seem to be fully human in the eyes of these misogynists.

I deactivated my X account but I'm sure Sharron Davies has plenty to say about the cheek swab which everyone seemed to be just fine with until 1999.

Chersfrozenface · 04/11/2024 19:02

Maaate · 04/11/2024 18:50

There's also suggestions that IKs parents are blood relatives too, which can cause genetic issues - would that include DSD's

Consanguinity increases the risk of hereditary diseases including DSDs

There's a study published in the Journal of Steroid Biochemistry and Molecular Biology in 2021, for a start, specifically on the molecular genetics

annejumps · 04/11/2024 19:01

Maaate · 04/11/2024 18:50

There's also suggestions that IKs parents are blood relatives too, which can cause genetic issues - would that include DSD's

IIRC recruiters seek out places where DSDs like this one are likely because of this inbreeding.

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