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Helleofabore · 11/11/2024 23:06

I cannot believe that patreon would ban a company for this. Contact them and say, this item is not permitted? Fine. That is appropriate for Patreon to do. To ban in this way, I think that is disproportionate.

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 23:06

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/11/2024 22:49

If that self-defence keyring is against Patreon rules then I think Patreon admins should have contacted Reduxx and notified them that it would result in a ban if they continued to offer it.

I am always amazed at the range of items available for sale in America that would never be available in Europe - it blows my mind that pharmaceutical prescription drugs are advertised on telly.

"self defence keyring"

Did you look at the photo of it and think about it for a moment? It's effectively a knuckleduster with 2 knifes attached, any use of that would probably kill the person it was used against. It's more of a murder weapon than what reddux calls a "self defence kitty keyring"

If we want to talk more about self defence there's also a rule that is has to be "reasonable force only and not excessive". Killing someone would mean a lot of explaining to do in court if it was really absolutely necessary for you to kill them.

I personally think it's reassuring Patreon zapped Reddux's account once this came to their attention, it shows they have zero tolerance for this.

ellenback21 · 11/11/2024 22:55

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:37

One more little thing, they are now claiming they "only sell to the US" but their Patreon is archived as saying "We declare this item as a "keychain" for shipping, but we cannot guarantee every country is going to like this. In the rare event your item is rejected at your country's border we will..."

This implies the weapon is/was being sold to multiple countries, as well as an admission by them they are not accurately declaring what the item really is for postage/customs.

Well I've now cancelled all subscriptions I make through Patreon and remade them by direct credit card payment. I have also deleted my Patreon account.

Oh and I've also added Reduxx to my monthly subscriptions😃

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/11/2024 22:49

Boiledbeetle · 11/11/2024 22:28

Patreon may not (never used the site so have no knowledge of their rules) , but Amazon in the US does sell them. It's the same item (the sharp ends are covered on the photo) so Reduxx may not have realised Patreon didn't allow them).

I've Just discovered you can buy an air rifle on Amazon in the US! I'd better stop searching for things that are illegal in the UK before I have the police turning up!

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If that self-defence keyring is against Patreon rules then I think Patreon admins should have contacted Reduxx and notified them that it would result in a ban if they continued to offer it.

I am always amazed at the range of items available for sale in America that would never be available in Europe - it blows my mind that pharmaceutical prescription drugs are advertised on telly.

YouAreOne · 11/11/2024 22:43

And that's the sole reason Reduxx were taken off Patreon? 🤨

Nah mate.

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:37

One more little thing, they are now claiming they "only sell to the US" but their Patreon is archived as saying "We declare this item as a "keychain" for shipping, but we cannot guarantee every country is going to like this. In the rare event your item is rejected at your country's border we will..."

This implies the weapon is/was being sold to multiple countries, as well as an admission by them they are not accurately declaring what the item really is for postage/customs.

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:32

"Reduxx may not have realised Patreon didn't allow them)."

https://www.patreon.com/policy/guidelines

"Bladed and edged weapons: Creators are not permitted to sell, distribute, or raffle off bladed and edged weapons (e.g. swords, daggers, knives, bayonets) on Patreon."

This took me seconds to look up.

Boiledbeetle · 11/11/2024 22:28

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:21

Going back a little, this was brought up because reddux were banned from Patreon. The alleged reason for this is the bladed knuckle duster they were allegedly selling. Patreon doesn't permit this.

Patreon may not (never used the site so have no knowledge of their rules) , but Amazon in the US does sell them. It's the same item (the sharp ends are covered on the photo) so Reduxx may not have realised Patreon didn't allow them).

I've Just discovered you can buy an air rifle on Amazon in the US! I'd better stop searching for things that are illegal in the UK before I have the police turning up!

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:26

Here is proof

https://archive.ph/XjWgL

Their patreon is banned but this archived page shows their weapon.

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:21

Boiledbeetle · 11/11/2024 22:12

They are legal in US, see first result below for an Amazon. Com.listing for the same type of keychain item (shippable to the UK)

Going back a little, this was brought up because reddux were banned from Patreon. The alleged reason for this is the bladed knuckle duster they were allegedly selling. Patreon doesn't permit this.

Boiledbeetle · 11/11/2024 22:12

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:02

Allegedly they are/were selling this weapon via mail declaring it as a "keychain" and not declaring it as a weapon, see 1st image. Yes, it's a knuckle duster with attached large protruding knife points, a very dangerous weapon.

I haven't seen the page they were selling it on, it's probably gone since they were banned, but 2nd image you can see their Twitter/X account trying to defend it. "self defence keychain", "ebay sell them too" (no they don't), "legal in the US".

I'm not familiar with the US laws, but even if it's legal to carry bladed/pointed knuckledusters there I'm sure it isn't legal to post them telling the postal service and customs (if it crosses borders, I don't know where they are being posted from) they are "just keychains".

And it goes without saying it's illegal to carry weapons in the UK (including everyday objects carried intended for use as a weapon) and being caught with this thing in the UK would be a go straight to jail card.

So yeah, understandably Patreon want nothing to do with this.

They are legal in US, see first result below for an Amazon. Com.listing for the same type of keychain item (shippable to the UK)

Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx
Snowypeaks · 11/11/2024 22:09

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Christinapple · 11/11/2024 22:02

YouAreOne · 11/11/2024 21:47

not the fact they were allegedly using Patreon to sell bladed or pointed weapons- knuckledusters with protruding knife points which they were illegally declaring as "keychains" to get them through customs?

Can you please link to proof of this?

Allegedly they are/were selling this weapon via mail declaring it as a "keychain" and not declaring it as a weapon, see 1st image. Yes, it's a knuckle duster with attached large protruding knife points, a very dangerous weapon.

I haven't seen the page they were selling it on, it's probably gone since they were banned, but 2nd image you can see their Twitter/X account trying to defend it. "self defence keychain", "ebay sell them too" (no they don't), "legal in the US".

I'm not familiar with the US laws, but even if it's legal to carry bladed/pointed knuckledusters there I'm sure it isn't legal to post them telling the postal service and customs (if it crosses borders, I don't know where they are being posted from) they are "just keychains".

And it goes without saying it's illegal to carry weapons in the UK (including everyday objects carried intended for use as a weapon) and being caught with this thing in the UK would be a go straight to jail card.

So yeah, understandably Patreon want nothing to do with this.

Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx
Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx
YouAreOne · 11/11/2024 21:47

not the fact they were allegedly using Patreon to sell bladed or pointed weapons- knuckledusters with protruding knife points which they were illegally declaring as "keychains" to get them through customs?

Can you please link to proof of this?

Christinapple · 11/11/2024 21:38

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/11/2024 20:46

Reduxx posted this statement today:

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1856013196638793770

'OH NO! Last week, some rabid trans activists organized a mass-report campaign to have REDUXX banned on Patreon, and, unfortunately, Patreon bent the knee.
With that, we lost the primary source of recurring monthly donations we had.

Unfortunately, THIS MEANS WE WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN... is what they'd like us to say. But sucks to be them. ®

Ultimately, we would do this work if we had not one penny coming in. So trying to get us booted off of every platform with the intention of shutting us up is a fruitless endeavor. We are here to expose gender ideology's impact on women and children, and nothing short of the whole team dying in an unfortunate mass hot air balloon incident will stop us from doing what we are doing.

In the interim, if you'd like to continue to support the work we do, please visit REDUXX.INFO/SUPPORT for other ways of throwing a tip in our hat.

We love ya.
RXX Team'

Yes yes, it's all because of "rabid trans activists mass report campaign" and not the fact they were allegedly using Patreon to sell bladed or pointed weapons- knuckledusters with protruding knife points which they were illegally declaring as "keychains" to get them through customs?

Patreon doesn't permit that, nothing to do with trans people or allies here.

Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx
duc748 · 11/11/2024 21:17

Bloody hell, is that legal? Either way, it's expensive, I guess.

UtopiaPlanitia · 11/11/2024 20:46

Reduxx posted this statement today:

https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1856013196638793770

'OH NO! Last week, some rabid trans activists organized a mass-report campaign to have REDUXX banned on Patreon, and, unfortunately, Patreon bent the knee.
With that, we lost the primary source of recurring monthly donations we had.

Unfortunately, THIS MEANS WE WILL BE SHUTTING DOWN... is what they'd like us to say. But sucks to be them. ®

Ultimately, we would do this work if we had not one penny coming in. So trying to get us booted off of every platform with the intention of shutting us up is a fruitless endeavor. We are here to expose gender ideology's impact on women and children, and nothing short of the whole team dying in an unfortunate mass hot air balloon incident will stop us from doing what we are doing.

In the interim, if you'd like to continue to support the work we do, please visit REDUXX.INFO/SUPPORT for other ways of throwing a tip in our hat.

We love ya.
RXX Team'

fromorbit · 11/11/2024 18:44

Chersfrozenface · 07/11/2024 16:38

On what exact grounds did the Greens suspend Shahrar Ali for saying Khelif was male?

Was it on the grounds that what he said was untrue? Or that it was contrary to Green Party rules?

Can an organisation have rules that forbid members saying particular things even if they are true and can be proved to be true? And the sanction for breaking that rule being suspension or expulsion?

Also, what would the standing in a court or tribunal be of a media story about what a journalist says he saw in a report which has not officially been released by the commissioners or the subject?

I'm just wondering about the practicalities.

Check out the Ali thread I linked to above for details. As you might suspect it was daft to start off with now looking worse and worse with the French journalists planning to sue Khelif to expose the truth.

kiterunning · 11/11/2024 18:37

Can't wait for this!
Lose lose for IK.

WarriorN · 11/11/2024 17:36

Oooh

🍿

SoiledMyselfDuringSomeTurbulence · 11/11/2024 15:34

SinnerBoy · 11/11/2024 14:42

Well, this is interesting, because it seems likely that he'll be forced to have a sex test, or lose by default. A clever move by The Correspondent!

Very.

I wonder if they'd consider suing for defamation under English law? The fake news thing has been read by people in England, and I understand this is considered one of the more favourable jurisdictions for claimants.

SinnerBoy · 11/11/2024 14:42

Well, this is interesting, because it seems likely that he'll be forced to have a sex test, or lose by default. A clever move by The Correspondent!

Helleofabore · 11/11/2024 14:29

spannasaurus · 11/11/2024 13:35

It seems that The Correspondent are taking legal action against Khelif as a result of his lawyers described their investigation as fake news

This is indeed a new development!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 11/11/2024 14:21

Brilliant. The journalist sounds great, I recommend reading the interview I linked, there is a translation button on the page.

BezMills · 11/11/2024 14:01

Nice to see Real Billy Bragg taking an interest!