Imane Khelif medical report reported in Reduxx

What a truly astounding turn of events.

Well colour me surprised.

I disagree. World Athletics requires androgen blockade, which is both unhealthy and does not reverse male physiological advantage.

ETA I agree with you about social identity, though, for people with DSDs

Shocked face.

Well, I think he's been ill-used. He should have been given appropriate medical treatment/counselling as soon as he started going through male puberty, instead of which he's been turned into a public spectacle and subjected to (potentially health-damaging) androgen blockade.

Sure, he had choices. But he's also a very young person being used by a massive sports promotion money-making machine.

IOC could stop this ever happening to anyone again, by introducing mandatory sex testing (eg SRY gene plus androgen sensitivity) for female sports categories.

Imane Khelif

I understand that Khelif identifies as a woman. I'm happy to be corrected. Personally I think that people with DSD should be able to choose their social identity if that makes sense. For DSD and sports, I think the criteria that olympics athletics has is pretty good.

But thats what the problem is. No rules were broken. I am seething again

They all knew. We all knew. It's so depressing

Same DSD as Caster Semenya: 5-ARD.

These guys keep showing up in women's sport and are so brazen about it even when they know fine well that they're male.

Don't the women boxers who fought him have a good case to sue the Olympic committee that permitted this? It was extremely reckless of them, to show this disregard for women's safety.

Unless the OC are playing a risky version of Operation Sunlight / Let Them Punch?

He hasn't courted the limelight and done stuff like "sue JKR"

This. I have a DC with a chromosome disorder and have huge sympathy for anyone navigating this but competing at the Olympics is a choice. They choose to put themselves in a position where they had an unfair and dangerous advantage over their opponents knowing they would be under scrutiny on the world stage.

Bugger, fat fingers

the tests were done in 2023!!!

But, if in 2923 they should dig up Khelif's bones (from where they'd been deposited after a long life spent acquiring wisdom) they'd be recognisably male.

A friend of mine posted some finger wagging stuff about IK at the time of the olympics (nothing about his fellow countryman who had raped a child though🤔).

No, I am not expecting his to address it now.

There’s not going to be any “sorry, we wuz wrong” going on, it’ll be social media amnesia.

i don't necessarily blame IK, who could conceivably consider herself to be 'intersex' or 'nonbinary' or whatever, it's probably understandable that she'd compete against women if given the chance given that same sex competition would leave no prospect of international success.

the blame lies entirely with the IOC, who had access to all of the information and resources they needed to reach a sensible decision, but blew it completely.

This male boxer had all the facts and chose to deliberately act this way. You can empathise all you like but this needs to be acknowledged. Before getting into the ring, this person understood they were male and had even been excluded from two boxing federations bouts because of it.

Who are you referring to as 'she' in this scenario?

Yes my sympathy for him vanishes at the point that he knows he has unfair advantage and could seriously hurt a woman yet does so anyway.

He could compete as a male or not at all.

He has been used, no doubt, but he does have autonomy.

Maybe not, but will the authorities listen. That is the main thing. That never again will male people be entered into a female boxing bout and if in doubt a thorough testing process is used to verify being a person with the body formed around producing large gametes and not one with testes producing testosterone that the athlete’s body uses to vitalise.

This bit

The report concludes by recommending Khelif be referred for “surgical correction and hormone therapy,” to help him physically align with his self-perceived gender identity, and adds that psychological support would be required because the results had caused a “very significant neuropsychiatric impact.”

made me have the slightest soupçon of sympathy for him. I can only think because I'm a little soft in the head. Then I read back, the tests were done in 2923, and any sympathy I had evaporated.

However, I don't think he's the real or, maybe, only villain here. He was enabled, even encouraged by a whole rotten apparatus.

Then there's the other guy, Taiwan's Lin Yu-ting. Khelif doesn't seem to have been the only male cheat in the boxing. I don't think it's right that Lin Yu-ting should escape scrutiny. I'm not sure why that's happened.

Colour me fucking surprised.

I'm glad it's out in the open now, but I doubt it will make any difference to his medals.

However, the IOC must now know that they are under the bloody spotlight for every, single man they let compete as a woman.

Hopefully the fact that not testing the sex of their competitors means they let men beat up women will be used to make them do it.

I know they want to ban boxing at the Olympics, but they can't wriggle out of it on that basis, because it's not just boxing, obviously.

My TWAW friend thinks that women can be XY and have testicles so not everyone will be swayed by this.

Everyone KNEW this. Everyone and they didn't give a shit because women don't matter enough.