Interesting move from odessa texas

I think it's a good move. It's about time women had some legal recourse to invading men. Shame it would never fly here.

Ideally I’d like to see male, female and gender neutral facilities for those that want them (although I suspect that’s not actually many) and laws that take seriously male violence, whether that’s towards women or towards transwomen.

If men are attacking transwomen there needs to be laws that are punitive enough to send a message that violence towards others is unacceptable. There also should be strong enough laws to punish men who assault women.

It’s not totally unworkable to have a solution that keeps everyone safe, whether it makes everyone happy or not, I suspect is a different matter.

No I don't. Perhaps some nasty people would make a complaint, but no, the "law" isn't going to fine any of those people.

For heavens sakes, @Pinkissmart what on earth are you talking about? Is this some silly way to pretend we can't tell sex? Why would anyone except dumb transactivists think a woman wearing baseball boots is really a man? A man wearing any form of skirt or dress or trousers or onesie should be in the men's facilities. Why would anyone question that? Or are you fantasising about genital inspections again? No one, not a one, needs or wants to look in a blokes pants to check if he's actually a girl.

Do you really think any of those people look more like the opposite sex than their actual sex?

For heavens sake, I’M making this difficult to understand?

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots IN THE LADIES ROOM.

A teenage boy wearing nail varnish IN THE MEN’S ROOM

A man wearing a kurta IN THE MENS ROOM

You don’t think this law would be used by the small minded to discriminate against people whose ethnicity and lifestyle they don’t approve of? Really? It absolutely would be. And how do they check to make sure someone is in the right space?

None of that matters at all, if they're using the correct toilet for their sex. No one's going to fine a man in the men's toilet because he's wearing nail polish, or a woman wearing a baseball cap in the ladies.

A man wearing a kurta? would they be fined?

If he's in the ladies'? Yes.

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined?

If she's in the men's? Yes. (But why would she go in there anyway? )

If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?

If he's in the ladies'? Yes. Being effeminate looking doesn't make him a woman.

What about masculine looking women?

What about them? They're still women.

Or a teenage boy wearing nail varnish? Or experimenting with hair colour?
What about a teenage girl who is happy being a girl, but prefers to wear ‘boys’ clothes?

They use the correct spaces for their sex. All of them . However they look. Why are you finding this so difficult to understand?

Criminalising wrong-sex toilet use is hostile gimmickry and certainly not something that I would like to see in the UK. It is unworkable and doesn't even address the actual problem, as opposed to the imagined problem.
The actual problem, in the UK at least, is that service providers (such as shop owners, gym management, etc), are no longer confident that it is legal for them to provide single-sex facilities, or to enforce single-sex facilities by means of the usual methods (asking someone to leave, terminating their membership etc).

The issue has never been one of actively policing the admission of people into facilities which, (as TRAs are keen to point out ) would be oppressive and unworkable. It is simply about clarifying the responsibility and the leeway that facility providers have to keep on doing what they have always done.

As I recall, Liz Truss's private members bill went down the criminalisation route, and that was one of the ways in which it was pure grandstanding, aimed at fanning flames and virtue signalling rather than at protecting women.

Ok, since the first few words of my post distracted….

How are laws getting members of the public to turn on each other helpful?

A man wearing a kurta? would they be fined?

A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined?

If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?

What about masculine looking women?

Or a teenage boy wearing nail varnish? Or experimenting with hair colour?

What about a teenage girl who is happy being a girl, but prefers to wear ‘boys’ clothes?

This law will just give people a reason to discriminate against anyone who doesn’t look like them.

‘How exactly do you live 'successfully as the other gender'

by banging on and on and on about it until everyone is bored into pretending to agree.

@Pinkissmart how do we know the genuine trans from the pretend ones?

The men can use the mens however they dress and ditto for the women.

I’m sure there will be some legal process so if they are they are using the facility for their sex it will be provable and they won’t be fined - it’s basically how laws work.

I don't know much about law enforcement in Texas, but I imagine even there there is some process whereby someone is proven guilty before they get fined, rather than some members of the public thinks you look a bit effeminate/butch.

What is a genuine trans person @Pinkissmart?

A man is still a man however genuinely he believes that he's a woman.

Come on , there are genuine trans people. How are laws getting members of the public to turn on each other helpful.
A man wearing a kurta( I think that’s what they are called) - would they be fined? A woman wearing a ball cap and boots- would she be fined? If a man is a bit effeminate looking, would someone try and fine them?
What about masculine looking women?

Stupid, stupid idea

Disabled son should use the disabled toilet. Woman's toilet is not for men no matter how able/disabled they are!

If a father needs to take his dd to the toilet they use the men's. Once old enough to go independently she uses the ladies alone.

It doesn't matter what stage you are in a transition a male born person should NEVER be in the woman's toilet

Blimey, does that mean Texas shouldn't have any laws, in case gun holders take the law into their own hands?

It makes sense to me, although obviously the test would be in it's implementation.

What about people who are transitioning and are living successfully as the other gender?

They haven't changed sex though!
How exactly do you live 'successfully as the other gender'

I didn’t say they would be lining up to shoot anyone(!!). But it feels like this will give people another reason to take the law into their own hands in other ways. Texas doesn’t strike me as a place where nuance flourishes.

So, a mother taking her disabled son into the loo?
A father taking her daughter into the men’s? Or the ladies?
What about people who are transitioning and are living successfully as the other gender?

I’m shocked that people feel something like this is helpful. It doesn’t solve problems, it creates them .

I agree it's quite a stretch to go from fining people for going into the wrong facilities to shooting them. The law isn't making it legal to shoot anyone for using them.
Surely if they are that keen on carrying guns then that means that those men trying to use women's toilets could well also be carrying guns, which seems like even more reason to try to keep them out to me...

If blokes can't use the ladies loo in the state there's no hope of them participating in women's sport.

It's an overton window shift that's for sure.