Page 7 | John Lewis taking piss now

TwistedWonder · 2024-10-29T18:49:04+00:00

As if their stance on refusing to safeguard their female staff wasn’t bad enough - they seriously have to be taking the piss now with this. No actual female models available?

TygerLyt · 29/10/2024 21:12

I don’t have a problem with men wearing dresses, but it strikes me that this is not appealing at all to their customer base.

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TwistedWonder · 29/10/2024 21:12

SensibleSigma · 29/10/2024 21:05

It’s a horrible vibe. It’s ugly.

What are they trying to sell, and who to?

They are taking a lovely dress, that could look good on a beautiful woman, and making it graceless.

This isn’t about trans, for me.
If it was a gender non conforming man wearing things that looked good I’d have no issue. But it’s that weird, childlike vibe again.

Men can be gender non conforming and still masculine. This is something else and it’s unsettling.

Even back in the days if Boy George and Marilyn, they were gender non confirming openly proud gay men who were still masculine and not trying to impersonate women. The whole ‘gender bender’ fashion (as it was called back then) was completely embraced.

By the same token Annie Lennox wore a very traditional male suit, cropped her hair and looked stunningly feminine

That isn’t and never has been the issue

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Octoberaddsagale · 29/10/2024 21:12

It’s not available on the website now, as far as I can see. Has the dress sold out or has JL removed it?

This is the only F C sequin mesh mini dress which appears when I search.

Edit - I see the photo has been posted above, while I was dithering about.

MeAgainAndAgain · 29/10/2024 21:11

OptimismvsRealism · 29/10/2024 21:09

Why did my post get deleted?????

There was nothing controversial or offensive in your post.

IDontHateRainbows · 29/10/2024 21:11

MaryWelly · 29/10/2024 20:38

Beautiful dress and great advert. Love John Lewis! It's so important to support shops like this instead of Amazon who treat their workers terribly and Bezos has refused to endorse Harris! Now that is the real scandal....!

Maybe the 'feminists' on this thread should focus on the big and real threats to women like Trump, police refusing to take stalking cases, instead of pouring all that needed energy into penalising minorities Trump style?

Margaret Atwood called. She needs the wimple back.

OptimismvsRealism · 29/10/2024 21:11

MeAgainAndAgain · 29/10/2024 21:10

Here’s the dress modelled beautifully.

Acht I don't love it. Weird shoulder line.

MeAgainAndAgain · 29/10/2024 21:10

Here’s the dress modelled beautifully.

WhiteWriting · 29/10/2024 21:09

Let's call this what it is - a cynical attempt by a struggling retailer to capture market share. However you fuck off your loyal customer base at your peril.

OptimismvsRealism · 29/10/2024 21:09

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MeAgainAndAgain · 29/10/2024 21:06

In the main dress section it is modelled by a beautiful black woman. Why photograph it again? She looks fabulous in it.

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TwistedWonder · 29/10/2024 21:06

Scutterbug · 29/10/2024 20:59

Why is that advert misogynistic? Just a person in a dress.

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As I’ve said in my posts, it’s JL and their general culture of misogyny that this ad is just another element of.

Their who ethos appears to be ‘fuck you women, men’s feelings trump yours so STFU’

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PickAChew · 29/10/2024 21:06

He'll be dead embarrassed when he realises he's forgotten his trousers. It's like a cheese dream.

SensibleSigma · 29/10/2024 21:05

It’s a horrible vibe. It’s ugly.

What are they trying to sell, and who to?

They are taking a lovely dress, that could look good on a beautiful woman, and making it graceless.

This isn’t about trans, for me.
If it was a gender non conforming man wearing things that looked good I’d have no issue. But it’s that weird, childlike vibe again.

Men can be gender non conforming and still masculine. This is something else and it’s unsettling.

OptimismvsRealism · 29/10/2024 21:04

Autumnalsun · 29/10/2024 21:01

Are you sure that’s not a woman?

It looks like it.

The advert is not a good one and I wouldn’t know what it’s advertising.

But I will stick up for them that white socks are ‘in fashion’.

There’s a saying that you can tell how old someone is by their socks.

If they’ve got trainer socks on that you can’t see, they’re over 30.
If they’ve got on white socks that you can see, they’re under 30.

It's definitely a man.

I think it's sad American extremism has fucked everything up (again). Ten years ago everyone would just have gone oh cool someone wearing what they want to wear confidently. Now because of the IT'S LITERALLY A WOMAN, PHOBE bullshit it's inevitably interpreted in another way

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TwistedWonder · 29/10/2024 21:03

MaryWelly · 29/10/2024 20:38

Beautiful dress and great advert. Love John Lewis! It's so important to support shops like this instead of Amazon who treat their workers terribly and Bezos has refused to endorse Harris! Now that is the real scandal....!

Maybe the 'feminists' on this thread should focus on the big and real threats to women like Trump, police refusing to take stalking cases, instead of pouring all that needed energy into penalising minorities Trump style?

Real threats like -

rapists being housed in women’s prisons
men taking part in women’s sports
men in women’s charging room
women being threatened, abused and assaulted for speaking out in support of single sex safeguarding
children bring mutilated and sterilised before they’ve reached adulthood

That sort of thing?

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PriOn1 · 29/10/2024 21:02

334bu · 29/10/2024 20:54

Photo angle really weird and has a very dreary 40s/early 50s vibe.

Does his head look really tiny compared with his legs? Is that what you mean about an odd angle?

What a bare room though. The opposite of Christmas cosyness.

Autumnalsun · 29/10/2024 21:01

Are you sure that’s not a woman?

It looks like it.

The advert is not a good one and I wouldn’t know what it’s advertising.

But I will stick up for them that white socks are ‘in fashion’.

There’s a saying that you can tell how old someone is by their socks.

If they’ve got trainer socks on that you can’t see, they’re over 30.
If they’ve got on white socks that you can see, they’re under 30.

Scutterbug · 29/10/2024 20:59

TwistedWonder · 29/10/2024 20:31

John Lewis and their contemptuous misogyny towards women

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Why is that advert misogynistic? Just a person in a dress.

Scutterbug · 29/10/2024 20:58

Gabbyghoul · 29/10/2024 20:29

Using a male model and pretending it's a woman.

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It is you interpreting it that way isn’t it? Could be a man in a dress, could be trans, could be androgynous…
doesn’t stress me any way.

Rhaidimiddim · 29/10/2024 20:57

Gabbyghoul · 29/10/2024 20:52

My 63 year old mum has recently retired from working in a JL lingerie dept.

I might suggest she does an AMA, the bullshit she's dealt with.

Please do!

334bu · 29/10/2024 20:54

Photo angle really weird and has a very dreary 40s/early 50s vibe.

Gabbyghoul · 29/10/2024 20:53

WhiteWriting · 29/10/2024 20:51

You've got to wonder what happened in the marketing meeting then. Are they confused about their customer base? Who do they think is forking out £165 for Xmas party dresses from middle of the road retailers? Clue: not Hoxton gender fluid types.

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TRA in management I'd expect. Or young bandwagoners not knowing their core audience and wanting to woke it up.

Gabbyghoul · 29/10/2024 20:52

My 63 year old mum has recently retired from working in a JL lingerie dept.

I might suggest she does an AMA, the bullshit she's dealt with.