They sent a woman to a man's prison

She could have a neutral name like Vivien, Evelyn etc which can be male or female. Even so the story makes no sense whatsoever.

I would disagree with letting them as you have a duty of care, but that is totally different from equating letting someone put themselves at risk to letting someone put others at risk.

I keep telling them that they can't opt out of patriarchy by fiat...

"Feminism is a political practice of fighting male supremacy on behalf of women as a class, including all the women you don't like, including all the women you don't want to be around, including all the women who use to be your best friends whom you don't want anything to do with any more. It doesn't matter who the individual women are." ~ Andrea Dworkin

Including the women who think they are men and have stabbed other women in the back to promote this.

It's not about sympathy, but about principles.

I thought so too, but tbh they lie and obfuscate and shift things about so frequently I'm not sure anyone really knows what's policy and what's actually going on. Don't forget there were attempts to make it illegal to even report on where trans people being sent to prison quite recently

Since when was it policy in Scotland to house all trans inmates according to their biological/birth sex? I thought only the extremely violent and rapist transgender (oops, not transgender because they were having it on) people were prevented from being allocated according to their “gender identity”?

Women who take testosterone can often look like pretty convincing men.

So this is a new problem for society to deal with - women putting themselves at risk by 'passing' as men. How long is that deception going to last in prison? Are male prison officers expected to search this woman? Are women in womens estate going to be intimidated and triggered by a male-presentng woman?

Yes. A born female who'd had a mastectomy, had a beard, and used a male name and 'identified' as a man.

Sounds like the crimes involved were horribly violent, including permanent disfigurement.

Surely her gender was recorded? I'm assuming she wasn't a trans man if they are saying 'she'. What a cock up (if you excuse the pun!)

Play stupid games...

They were in a tricky position even if they suspected. How do they tackle that? Accuse a slightly effeminate man of not looking manly enough, or let a woman into a high security men’s prison.

They keep saying 'based on appearance'.

'It’s understood incomplete paperwork relating to the sex of Johston was sent via police.'

Do they mean based on the paperwork's appearance? Or based on the fact this woman pretended to be a man?

Presumably Johnston has a tongue in their head?

Gosh I'm surprised. Aren't you surprised?

@DysonSphere You're welcome. 😊

The Reddit comments have now been vigorously modded, so it's just a bunch of people agreeing with one another that the terfs caused this.

Reddit is so frustrating for this. I pop onto threads every so often to try to give an alternative point of view but it's just shouting into the void. There is little empathy from the majority of (I assume) male "allies", who are so divorced from women's practical experience of the world that they remind me of theologians arguing about angels on a pinhead. Always the ludicrous hyperbole about genital inspections and tattoos on foreheads, rather than the messy reality - that a social contract which worked for the most part to accommodate the odd trans person is now being tested to breaking point, so that yes, butch-looking women are caught up in the fallout. That doesn't make this situation the fault of "terfs".

We don't even know all the facts as to why the normal procedure for assigning prisoners broke down, so it's pointless to speculate about until we do.

I thought it was very funny that in the Telegraph article the prison authorities claimed it happened because they had incomplete information about the prisoner's gender. No luv you didn't need to know about her gender. You failed to find out her sex.

Is the utter blatancy of it that gets me.

They can pretend they believe in the ideology right up to the point where they suddenly can't.

How they don't implode from the hypocrisy is beyond me.

When someone is up on a charge in front of a court, I think the court (including the judge/magistrate, jury members, and, indeed, the gen pub watching) have the right to know the relevant details about the defendant, including their sex. I don't think people should have the right to try to obscure their sex.

Because self-identified 'women' can't rape, because a man who is willing to be identified as a woman is not really perceived as a stereotypical (aka real) man according to the patriarchy.

But non trans males can rape, because they are tick box acceptable (real) men. Therefore the prisoner was in danger.

Maybe that's the dumb thinking. The patriarchy does not consider men identifying as women to be a man according to their definition. So by that measure, they cannot be dangerous to women. So they can go on the women's prison quite safely. However the woman cannot go into the 'real' men's prison.

The patriarchy has a narrow scope of what constitutes masculinity, which is half the problem.

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Thanks! Great article. Also disturbing. I had no idea the NHS had been taken hostage to such a degree! It seems every time I browse on FWR some new horrific ridiculousness has emerged.

Because men.