Yes - and not all funders put in conditions of funding as proposed in other post.
Long before there was any TRAs targetting women's services, many support services started offering if not direct support, finding suitable services (many of which they had had to train staff to do the work) for men.
The issue was, not TRAs, but MRAs going on about WATM.
And despite everybody saying well men could just get on and set up centres as women did for women, somehow they were never made to do this and women were expected to take on the work. (If you want something done ask a busy woman.)
A lot of the women's groups who have quite a loud profile at the moment are in fact very recent groups, with little or no understanding of the development of WLM objectives into actual services.
Also because they were formed recently during the rise of TRA they have this single vision response to any situation.
Far, far more women's services have lost their funding because the patriarchy (of which funders, local councillors etc are all part of) that firstly dont rate or understand the need for women only service, and secondly think women are so unimportant that cutting women only services wont matter because so few will care. And how right they are.
The only difference with the current MANifestation of outright sexism of the TRAs is that they are more blatant. But they would never have got the stranglehold they have if MRAs hadn't created the enviroment where women's services, women survivors, were just not worth bothering about.
It is the entrenched anti women attitudes that the TRAs have thrived on.
If there was or had been any respect for women in society the TRAs would have been laughed out of the public realm the first time they acted against women.
So, whilst I know MNHQ have tried to make FWR just about gender identity, it is and was Feminism and Women's Rights.
Those who have just become engaged in the issue of women's rights, because of TRA maybe just dont understand how this is just the lastest wave of male culture against the changes that started under Women's Liberation.
I think up thread I gave the link to the Standards that members of both the Scottish and English federations of Rape Crisis Centres.
It might help to read them.
Just to repeat from an earlier thread, most centres offer trans inclusive services and women only (sex based) services.
Dont forget Roz Adams supports trans inclusive services. Her objections were that there was no committment to tell women services users whether support being offered was trans inclusive.
This is because both WM and SB were unprofessional and used their positions of power to impose their political beliefs on service users.
I think a lot of groups writing about this in quite a gung ho fashion have a very superficial knowledge of the history of the provision of services.
But on the bright side, if all the women who are willing to be critical online, etc., about the lack of truely women only services, were to become part of women's groups providing services just think how the impact of women with gender critical views on service provision.
Just to add and its too late at night to work out where to add this, but part of the very effective back lash against Women's Liberation, was what became known as 3rd Wave Feminism, that was harshly critical of 70s feminist women's sex based rights, and were if anything the first product of queer politics in university. And their anti women's sex based rights approach, and the focus on gender etc., were the forerunners of the politics of TRAs.
And sadly many women were very active in promoting queer politics over women's politics.