Teacher struck for posting online 'Where I teach the trans kids are untouchable'

what is identity?

how does one 'affirm' it?

Beyond the basic 'hello, how are you, what do you think of the weather, done anything interesting lately?' that is normal human interaction.

I acknowledge that there may be risks to children but I also recognise that many children who identify as transgender do not view their bodies as flawed but rather seek affirmation of their identity.

So many posters are trying to bend the truth to fit their ideology.

Real time demonstration of ‘projection’ just dropped!

Claiming that any society before1980, or not in the anglosphere (for example native North Americans and Polynesians), had a concept of 'gender' is cultural colonisation.

As indigenous people worldwide point out repeatedly.

Slight tangent to this remark on cultures and gender concepts but this thread has useful material:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4355801-Economist-article-about-South-Asias-non-binary-communities

Linked within it, Yeye Luisah Teish offers her thoughts on Rainbow imperialism and the misunderstanding of Yoruba culture.

No sympathy with her.

If you're trying to say that in almost all cultures it has been and is recognised that the universal sexed binary of human biology does not have to limit or define how individual humans look or present or behave, of course that's true.

Exceptions at the moment include the Taliban effectively trying to wipe out women, and the Iranians forcing same-sex attracted men to chose between castration and 'gender change' or death.

But those are extreme, and demonstrate why the obsession with complying with gender stereotypes displayed by the genderists is so ludicrous. The fact that they don't link the sex to the stereotype being conformed to is a side issue - it's the belief that those stereotypes are in some way inevitable. and the obsession with everyone having to conform to one or the the other that is at once naive and dangerous.

The idea that 'girls dress and wear their hair this way' and 'boys dress and wear their hair that way' is ridiculous.

Sex is still not gender.

You can't change sex. Its not ideological to say this.

Which societies are these? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us with our inferior knowledge rather than generalisations so vague that no one can compare.

Are they otherwise very sexist societies?

And in these societies who does the job of breast feeding and giving birth?

Acknowledging the diversity of gender concepts across cultures is not inherently "cultural colonisation,"

Can you point out where exactly I engaged in "cultural colonisation"?

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I can't think of a single culture that hasn't known that only women give birth.
You can have all the identities / roles that you like - "gender fluid" and all the rest.

But sex is binary - always has been and always will be. And nobody should be trying to persuade children otherwise.

What did you think of the piece that RTB posted about the hazards of imposing these complex beliefs on children before they reach the level of maturity to unpick what's fantasy and what's factual?

So many posters are trying to bend the truth to fit their ideology.

Many cultures historically have not strictly equated biological sex with gender. Instead, they recognise that social roles, personal identities, and cultural understandings of gender can be distinct from biological characteristics.

It's really nothing new!

In these societies, gender is often seen as more fluid or complicated, with roles and identities that go beyond the male-female binary.

https://www.oliverdrakefordtherapy.com/post/parentification-vs-adultification

I'm doing a lot of cross threading and referencing today but this link was posted on another thread and it seems appropriate to put it on this thread given how the conversation has gone.

The part I highlighted on that thread was the following:

What Are The Symptoms Of Adultification In Adults Who Were Adultified?
Some research has tracked the symptoms in adults,

Increased Mental Health Challenges: Adults who experienced adultification as children often face heightened mental health issues, including stress, anxiety, and depression. This is due to the early and excessive responsibilities they had to shoulder, often in emotionally and financially taxing environments.

Difficulty in Transitioning to Adult Roles: Those subject to adultification may struggle with the transition to traditional adult roles and responsibilities. Having taken on adult-like roles prematurely, they often find themselves unprepared for the complexities and demands of adult life, leading to potential difficulties in employment and personal relationships.

Challenges in Identity Formation: Adultification can disrupt the natural process of identity formation. Adults who were adultified as children might have a skewed perception of their roles and capabilities, which can lead to confusion and conflict in their personal and professional lives.

Increased Risk for Engaging in Risky Behaviors: In some cases, adultified individuals may engage in risky behaviors as a coping mechanism or due to a lack of appropriate guidance during critical developmental stages. This includes substance abuse or involvement in illegal activities.

Strained Family and Social Relationships: Adultification can lead to strained relationships in adulthood. These individuals might find it challenging to establish and maintain healthy relationships, as their early life experiences could have affected their ability to trust, communicate, and relate to others effectively.

And yet here we are trying to push stuff that kids don't really understand - precisely because they haven't got to that level of maturity - on all the kids.

If you have a particularly emotionally immature child, it's particularly difficult (say for example they are autistic).

It has no business being in primary age schools because of the potential issues including the ramifications for peers.

And it really shouldn't be in high schools below at least yr10 precisely because the kids mature at different rates.

And affirmation only isn't healthy in any respect.

If you want to explore your identity, post 16 is when you do it. At the earliest. Otherwise it's not being kind. It's setting up a bunch of kids for bigger problems.

Yes, it is shameful that that is still happening, after so many indigenous groups requesting it be stopped. It's like the endless attempts to drag people with DSDs in.

'gender identity' is a modern, western, culturally specific, rich-world construct

It's a recurrent them on here isn't it? Talking about children is immediately swerved to adult interests and issues with the allegation that those who state that children should be safeguarded from age inappropriate issues are somehow ignorant. That failing to accept that children must be taught that their bodies are flawed but a sex change will cure them, is a form of bigotry. And that self interested adults with a vested interest in promoting sex change for children should be elevated to the top of the knowledge tree unchallenged (a slightly more subtle version of #nodebate) .

This is a misunderstanding of third gender societies. You are engaging in cultural colonisation. Stop that.

By proto-activism I was referring to children learning about activism in schools.

Sorry you didn’t understand that.

So strange that you are seemingly unable to understand that children are not the same as adults.

My post is entirely accurate. Sociologists invented 'gender' as a term for sex stereotypes (which are many, and various, and very culturally specific, and quite different in any given country from what they were 5 or 30 or 40 years ago) and started using the word in their log-rolling academic publications in the 1980s.

The brands of 'gender identity' they push at the moment are all about wealthy western societies. They even try to make them all about white wealthy western society.

Gender is not a thing. 'It' does not exist.

This post is not accurate.

The concepts of gender as a social role and gender identity have been around far longer and are not restricted to wealthy, Western societies.

Many societies historically recognized gender diversity.

She wasn't sacked, she resigned, and was reported to her professional body and then struck off.
You don't need to read the link to search up some info on the case.

Gender as something separate from grammar was invented by sociologists in the 1980s. Gender identity is even newer - maybe 20 years. At the start of my adult life neither existed, even as an academic construct.

They still don't exist as concepts for most people in most of the world. They're an academic creation of the rich and privileged parts of the modern world.

Whereas very human who has ever existed, anywhere in the world, through all of history and prehistory, has had a biological sex, encoded within every cell of their body from the moment of conception, unchangeable, binary - possibly damaged but still within that binary. At times, that has had catastrophic consequences for the people whose bodies are female - look at Afghanistan right now. And no amount of theorising or fantasising about a concept called 'gender' can change that.

Change your society and its expectations if there are things wrong with it, not the only body you'll ever have.

The teacher is probably correct in what she says, schools are acting in this way. She is entitled to her views. However, posting comments on social media about your workplace is a an issue. I do not think she deserved to be struck off though and believe that she only struck off due to the issue she posted about. She is allowed opinions.

Is there any suggestion this teacher posted a pupil’s name? From reading earlier posts, I have the impression that the pupil was referred to as Pupil A and that the pupil was identifable because who the teacher was (and thus the school) was identified.

If true, then the person who went through the teachers posts to find out who she was (if that is what happened) is at least as much to blame for the pupil’s identity being released as the teacher. Presumably prosecuting the teacher mattered more to them than protecting the pupil, which makes them two faced as well as uncaring.

Indeed. I used to work in HR and on more than one occasion saw an employee 'grassed up' by a so called friend reporting them for content posted on SM that was only visible to friends. ,( not trans related)
People need to be very careful of who they befriend on SM.