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DumDeeDoh · 26/10/2024 00:29

Everyone in that trial know BK is a man and so they are all lying in the trial calling him a women. The RTE reports don't mention trans and say Miss BK was tried and acquitted. It is disgusting. Literally no one, not even BK thinks he is a woman. How can anything be believed if you are not allowed say what is in front of you.

UtopiaPlanitia · 26/10/2024 00:20

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 25/10/2024 19:35

He has been found not guilty on all counts 😩

VERDICT

And.......the Irish justice system strikes again!

God forbid Irish judges take threats and violence against women and girls seriously.

Deadringer · 25/10/2024 22:06

Member869894 · 25/10/2024 13:53

I don't really understand what this issue is. Is it because it's a male threatening to rape a woman? If it was a woman threatening to hurt a woman this wouldn't make news.

You don't think it's shocking that a man who pretended to be a woman was taken at his word and allowed to serve his sentence (for violence against women) in a female prison, went on to threaten to rape and sexually assault a fellow inmate and a prison guard, while still pretending to be a woman? And even though women don't threaten to rape other women, people still have to pretend he is female, and refer to him as such. Nothing strange or shocking there at all?

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 25/10/2024 22:02

I hope it will at least shine a light on the absurdity of our Self ID legislation. If someone so obviously dangerously deranged as him can change his legal sex simply by completing a form and paying a small fee then clearly there's a huge issue that needs to be addressed. People will hopefully question how?? Did he not have to be evaluated at all? Or examined by a doctor? Or meet certain criteria? And when they realise that actually he didn't have to do anything at all other than sign his name, maybe this ridiculous law can be repealed.

lcakethereforeIam · 25/10/2024 21:49

There must be other photos. That one does serve to obscure his identity though.

Wimbledonmum1985 · 25/10/2024 21:47

And that horrendous photo they use of him. It is incredibly disturbing.

lcakethereforeIam · 25/10/2024 21:43

Member869894 · 25/10/2024 13:53

I don't really understand what this issue is. Is it because it's a male threatening to rape a woman? If it was a woman threatening to hurt a woman this wouldn't make news.

I'm not 100% sure of your point but I agree if a woman had made this threat she would probably, at worst, been dealt with using the disciplinary procedures within the prison. It just demonstrates that no-one believes twaw.

That said, the verdict does beggar belief.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 25/10/2024 20:47

Utterly fucking outrageous.

LifeInAHamsterWheel · 25/10/2024 20:26

It's shocking. He is known to be a credible threat to women, hence the isolation from other inmates etc. That officer has every right to be worried about him getting out. He absolutely would hunt her down and harm her. I hope he's moved to a secure mental facility and kept there forever. There doesn't seem to be any hope of rehabilitation for him. And I do have a degree of sympathy in that he must have suffered the most horrific experiences during childhood (sone of which has been documented) but he is so so dangerous he needs to be kept away from people and women/girls in particular.

MarieDeGournay · 25/10/2024 20:14

Acquitted?? WTF!

I can't think why, because he seems to have pretty much admitted saying everything he was accused of saying.
It may be that he made threats that he had no possibility of carrying out as he was not allowed to mix in the general population, so it was trash-talking rather than threatening to actually commit a crime. But it was still disturbing and frightening for the targets of his hatred.
It'll be fascinating to see what informed opinion has to say about this.
To a layperson like me, it's shocking.

maltravers · 25/10/2024 15:45

I don’t see why women inmates or officers should accept being terrified by this man’s degrading and frightening comments, just because it’s difficult for him to carry out his threats. Why is this criminal’s mental comfort important and theirs is not?

UtopiaPlanitia · 25/10/2024 15:06

NitroNine · 25/10/2024 03:33

I did wonder, when I updated the GRA amendment thread on Tuesday, if I should start a new thread about the trial, but I wasn’t sure (remembering previous non-coverage) how/if that would work 🫤

So of course I just updated that one again before seeing this 🤦‍♀️

The Irish Times (cóip chartlannaithe) is a wee bit less forthcoming than The Irish Independent in their reporting of the trial, so if you don’t want to know the actual threats made, stick to the former. Looks as if someone is fibbing - & I don’t think it’s the prison officers.
At least multiple outlets are reporting this go round (eg RTÉ, The Irish Mirror & of course Gript). If you’re on TwiX, The Countess has people at Limerick Circuit Court to report on the trial.

(Ooh, hyperlinks now [seem to?] copy across! Will leave the link to thread in case they don’t because I need to get some sleep not mess about ensuring the 8 links in question all work, sorry).

Reading the reports you linked to Nitro shows me that this man has rationalisations for everything but I’m not sure his argument of ‘I couldn’t actually carry out my threats because I’m under lock and key for 22 hours a day’ is a very convincing sign that he’s not a threat.

The fact that any woman who does something he doesn’t like gets a disgusting rape threat (often very detailed) shows this man is a threat to women and enjoys using sexually violent imagery to terrify them.

Given that he has previously attacked women (and tried to pull off his social worker’s eyelids), and given that he shows no actual remorse just rationalisations and proffers excuses from his bad childhood (like the men from Gisèle Pelicot’s trial) I don’t think he’ll ever be safe to be around women.

He also seems to enjoy using his legal status as a self-declared woman to confound the legal/justice system by asking for special considerations during trials, and reporting from trials, and as another rationalisation for why he threatens to rape with an implement.

RocketPanda · 25/10/2024 14:25

@Member869894 BK has a history of violence against women and has threatened to rape other women before. BK is male. Thanks to self ID in Ireland BK was housed in a women's prison. Where BK again threatened to rape an inmate and a prison guard.

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Member869894 · 25/10/2024 13:53

I don't really understand what this issue is. Is it because it's a male threatening to rape a woman? If it was a woman threatening to hurt a woman this wouldn't make news.

deeahgwitch · 25/10/2024 13:49

elgreco · 25/10/2024 13:48

I bet you he isn't threatening to rape any of the male murderers of children he is currently incarcerated with.

👏🏻👍

elgreco · 25/10/2024 13:48

I bet you he isn't threatening to rape any of the male murderers of children he is currently incarcerated with.

Abhannmor · 25/10/2024 13:46

RocketPanda · 25/10/2024 11:37

I know Tegan McGhee is not a sympathetic character but rape and threats of rape should never be part of the prison process.

No indeed. But there is a chunk of the electorate who think prisoners of any stripe have forfeited all their rights. The blame for this nightmare doesn't rest with these convicts , however wicked or unhinged they are , but with those idiots and poseurs in the Irish government and civil service.

MarieDeGournay · 25/10/2024 13:22

Tippyey · 24/10/2024 17:10

Get this mad MALE cunt out of there and into a men's prison.

'male cunt'? Really??
So cunt is an insult, according to you?

User100000000000000000001 · 25/10/2024 13:21

Tippyey · 24/10/2024 17:10

Get this mad MALE cunt out of there and into a men's prison.

Couldn't agree more....but all the males while they're at it.

FFS there's not enough swear words to express how fucking mad this all is.

elgreco · 25/10/2024 13:12

So BK's defence is: I am a liar, I don't mean what I say.
Unless of course it's when I say," I am a woman", then I am not a liar.

RocketPanda · 25/10/2024 11:37

I know Tegan McGhee is not a sympathetic character but rape and threats of rape should never be part of the prison process.

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elgreco · 25/10/2024 08:51

Yes, one of them a child rapist....

TheKeatingFive · 25/10/2024 08:48

That's correct. However there are (I believe) at least two other men housed in limerick woman's prison

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