Barbie Kardashian trial **trigger warning rape**

Yes I remember this - there was a video on Twitter of a group of teenage girls all giggling and excited waiting outside the court to meet him as if he was a pop star. And to answer the PP who asked if he looked like his mugshot - no, he didn't. He was heavily made up but not so clown-like. He stopped to talk to them and dare I say it, he seemed like a regular minor celeb greeting his fans, approachable and not threatening at all. Which is terrifying, knowing what he is capable of.

Laoise de Brún (from Irish gender critical group The Countess) was interviewed by Andrew Doyle regarding the Irish Hate Crime Bill and the verdict in the recent Barbie Kardashian case.

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · Today 14:47

Ach but nobody told them what he did to his social worker, so how were they to know he was telling the truth when he said he was a violent, abusive man?

Well, British courts may be a bot crap on the sentencing side, but previous convictions for similar crimes may be presented to juries.

Here’s an article discussing another horrific sexual violence case that came before the Irish courts this week:

https://gript.ie/listen-judge-going-to-work-doesnt-make-you-any-less-of-a-rapist/

‘…his work history was also taken into consideration. What’s that about? Is the standard of justice in Ireland really ‘Yeah, he’s a perverted monster who rapes his wife and seriously abuses his stepdaughter, but sure he’s never been shy of a day’s work.’?

Are we to take it, for example, that unemployed sadistic rapists and abusers would get longer sentences?

….It has to be said that the courts sometimes have a way of operating that to you and I may seem strange or counterintuitive, but sometimes they also operate in what can only be termed as ‘bullshit’.

That a man who unleashed a campaign of sexual torture – how else would you describe it? -on his own wife and stepdaughter should benefit in any material way from something as obtuse as his work record is beyond me.

I don’t think anyone would dare attempt to mitigate the crimes of, say, Jimmy Saville by remarking on his record of punctuality.’

Irish judges seem to have a strange reluctance to ‘ruin’ a man’s reputation over sexual assault and always seem open to character references written by friends or barristers arguing the accused does good in the community. And don’t get me started on judges taking seriously the pleas of ‘he had a tough childhood’ - lots of people have tough childhoods and don’t commit sexual or violent assault.

He’s like the vilest of comic book villains. It’s inconceivable that he could be out on the streets in a matter of a couple of years. Presumably it will be necessary for him to kill a woman before they lock him up for good.

Ach but nobody told them what he did to his social worker, so how were they to know he was telling the truth when he said he was a violent, abusive man?

The thing that terrifies me most about him is that he will quite happily tell a court in graphic detail why he wants to rape women and give them life-lasting injuries, he doesn’t seem to see anything wrong with his reasoning of wanting to punish women with rape if they annoy him in any way, but none of the jury or the judge take him seriously as a threat to women.

They hear him saying these things, they hear the graphic detail & the twisted reasoning, and they think ‘Nah, he’d never do these things he’s really thought about in graphic detail a hell of a lot’.

I swear to god, I feel like I’m living in clown world. No-one takes safeguarding seriously any more.

WTF did they think he was doing in prison?

Some additional information on the trial that helps to explain the verdict.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/jury-acquits-barbie-kardashian-charges-33973404

'The jury found Kardashian “not guilty” of three counts of threatening to kill or cause serous harm to Ms Linnane, intending her to believe the threat would be carried out. It took the jury two hours and 35 minutes to reach verdicts in respect of three of the counts counts. Earlier in the trial, judge Colin Daly had directed the jury to find Kardashian “not guilty” of one of the counts against Ms Linnane.

Kardashian looked visibly surprised after the “not guilty” verdicts were read out and, addressing her barrister Andrew Sexton SC, instructed by Yvonne Quinn, BL, and solicitor Julianne Kiely, Kardashian enquired, “on all three counts?” Kardashian broadly smiled and whispered “Yes...I’m so happy”.

…What this jury was not told was that Kardashian was jailed for five and half years with the final 12 months suspended in March 2023, after being convicted by a jury of seven counts of threatening to kill or cause serious harm to her mother.'

genuinely puzzled by the jury's decision, and I'd appreciate if somebody with legal knowledge could explain when a threat to rape or kill is not subject to legal penalty.

Firstly we don't know what the jury heard, it doesn't seem they were told anything about what kind of man he is, so they might have felt sorry for him. It didn't help that one of the women he threatened is also a convict, and she's in for child murder. So the jury might be swayed by that. The jury might believe Barbie when he says his threat wasn't real.

As regards legal penalty, he was charged, brought to court, case put to jury, if they have convicted him then he'd have had a legal penalty.

There is no doubt in my mind when he leaves prison he will kill a woman, in a very violent manner. His mother is presumably terrified of that date.

I think it was 5 and a half years from 2022. But you don't serve a full sentence. He'll be a real danger when he's released. He's very young and very strong, with a hatred of all women.

Yes I'm wondering that too. We could be on very shaky ground if we start to hurt feelings...

This part of a court report from The Countess is chilling. I actually have no words. Who was counsel for BK I wonder.

After the day’s evidence, Counsel for the Defense applied to have the charge lessened because it could be argued that rape would not in itself constitute serious harm. Maybe with an implement, depending on how this was used, it might be. The judge asked him if he was really asking him to accept that rape was not serious harm? It was agreed that threatening to threaten rape so you cannot have children would constitute serious harm.

I'm wondering how the new Hate Crime law may impact on that?

I don’t think our media in Ireland have done good reporting on this topic in general. We need to follow the example of the UK media and have an actual public discussion rather than grudgingly report the odd story that can’t be avoided.

All I can say is that I am glad that I am not one of BK's prison officers. How shat on do they feel?

No idea how he was acquitted based on the media reports. Juries (as humans) are emotional creatures of course and one of the victims was as unsympathetic as it’s possible to be - a child killer - so it may be that influenced the verdict. The prison officer was
not of course. It’s definitely hard to understand.

I’d really like to know the grounds for the judge deciding that the gardaí & DPP were wrong & the threats against the prison officer shouldn’t have been brought before a jury 🤨

None of this makes any sense!

100% there is a reason that BK is segregated because BK would act on any of these things given the opportunity BK even admitted such during testimony. I feel like shaking the people on that jury.

Now BK has been taught that threatening someone is fine if you claim not to have meant it, which is in no way the legal test. In testimony admitting “I have threatened to sexually assault males since these incidents.”

I would hope the DPP appeals this but I'm fairly sure they won't

Do you think he's pathetic looking in real life or something? Untheatening in some way, I just don't understand.

MarieDeGournay · Yesterday 20:14

Acquitted?? WTF! I can't think why, because he seems to have pretty much admitted saying everything he was accused of saying.

Yes, it's pretty bizarre, isn't it? It puts me in mind of Tan Ikram letting "Sarah Jane" Baker out of prison, saying that punch a TERF was obviously a joke. From a man with a long history of extremely serious violence and sex attacks.

Back then Gript was the only one.

It's certainly been reported far more than BK was at the time of his conviction.

The media in Ireland has been pretty unanimous in stating that BK was born male but 'identifies' as female, and in a few cases they added that this was formalised with a GRC.

I doubt if there's anybody in Ireland who follows the news to any extent who does not know that BK is male and dangerous, but identifies as female. Female and innocent and a victim of nasty people being beastly to him..🙄

Kardashian (22), of no fixed abode, who it was heard was born a male but now identifies as a female, denies three counts of making threats to kill or cause serious harm to Ms Linnane on dates in April and June 2023. Irish Times

The accused, who the court heard was born male but now identifies as female, has pleaded not guilty to all the charges. RTE.ie

Barbie Kardashian, (22), of no fixed abode who it was heard was born a male but now identifies as a female, has pleaded not guilty before Limerick Circuit Criminal Court to one count of threatening to kill or cause serious harm to, Tegan McGhee, who was an inmate at the prison in February 2023 Breaking News.ie

I don’t think so. The legacy media is behaving as though this is a case of one women threatening to rape other women. And when asked about this man in the past, when he was previously on trial, our Taoiseach and other Ministers/TDs refused to make any proper comments on the matter or they just ignored the journalist asking the questions.

And, given that a very large percentage of the Irish population still don’t know that self-declaration of sex was passed into law, I don’t think anyone who isn’t already following the case will be made aware of the problems that self-declaration is causing.

How a jury heard that evidence and didn't convict is beyond comprehension to me.
They honestly believe that if the opportunity presented itself, as it did when he seriously assaulted his social worker, that he wouldn't do it?
Being prevented from doing something is very different to not intending to do it.