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Where TF is the Charity Commission report into Mermaids?

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Taytoface · 23/10/2024 07:15

I know they are not renowned for being fast, but we must be coming up to two years now.

If, as we suspect, they are actively damaging children, this is two more years they have been allowed to do this.

If they see nothing wrong in handing out binders, pointing kids to Reddit, having nonce apologists on the Board and having staff members make incredibly graphic pornographic art, then that is two year of a shadow hanging over them unfairly, making fundraising really difficult.

Wha go'an?

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AlisonDonut · 24/10/2024 06:54

Green states

One technique used to undermine charities and CICs is to tie them up with regulatory scrutiny and never-ending administrative tasks surrounding investigations and litigation.

Yeah that's what YOU did to LGBA.

I mean, the absolute gall of this woman.

BonfireLady · 24/10/2024 06:43

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 24/10/2024 06:25

https://www.anne.health/articles/a-statement-by-susie-green-foll-charity-commissions-findings-on-mermaids

Green claims to have found a legal route to importing blockers.

This woman won't stop by herself.

I think her legal route for blocker importing no longer exists with the extension of the PB ban to Northern Ireland.

However, she's definitely a fan of loopholes by the looks of things. Her new organisation isn't a charity or a CIC, so she no longer needs to worry about her advice being regulated.

To put that in perspective, Transgender Trend isn't a charity or a CIC either..... but their advice falls under the "watchful waiting", "let children go through puberty" caution side of things.... not telling parents to take direct action and intervene to stop a child going through puberty and/or irreversibly alter their endocrine system and physical bodies.

AlisonDonut · 24/10/2024 06:33

About sending out binders to girls:

However, the Commission has issued statutory advice to the charity requiring that, should it ever resume this service, its future policy and controls should reflect the recent Cass Review, or any future NHS guidelines on parental involvement

Should it ever resume the service? How about 'never do that again'?

Datun · 24/10/2024 06:25

i still think their days are numbered. People are definitely no longer beguiled by the concept of a 'trans' child.

And however much the CC whitewash it, the place attracted very creepy men indeed.

BonfireLady · 24/10/2024 06:04

AlisonDonut · 24/10/2024 05:41

Apparently it is out.

I can't get over this...are they having a laugh?

Indeed.

Those first 3 points are surely a complete contradiction to what they say about Susie Green. The definition of "medical advice" must be very narrow e.g. it doesn't include advising parents to affirm their child's declared gender identity and then circumventing GPs to refer these children to GIDS. It stands to reason that the referrals would be with the parents' permission if they had already helped the parents to understand that this was the right step for their child - including telling parents on their website that puberty blockers “internationally recognised safe, reversible healthcare option”.

Quote is from the Guardian:
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/24/trans-childrens-charity-told-to-rewrite-guidance-on-puberty-blockers

An earlier article from the Telegraph makes it clear that Susie Green very much saw herself as a medical professional..... so presumably the advice was... medical:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/05/27/trans-lobby-group-mermaids-helped-nhs-treatment-children/

Similarly, I wonder how they define a safeguarding policy issue. In the Guardian article it references the previous policy of providing brreastbinders to children without parental knowledge. Given breastbinders can lead to permanent spine damage, surely this is a safeguarding issue. Or perhaps it no longer counts because they stopped doing it - however, it's still evidence of a policy that was inappropriate for safeguarding.

Trans children’s charity told to rewrite guidance on puberty blockers

Charity Commission investigation also said there had been mismanagement within Mermaids

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/oct/24/trans-childrens-charity-told-to-rewrite-guidance-on-puberty-blockers

AlisonDonut · 24/10/2024 05:41

Apparently it is out.

I can't get over this...are they having a laugh?

Where TF is the Charity Commission report into Mermaids?
RethinkingLife · 23/10/2024 17:03

Retiredfromthere · 23/10/2024 13:55

I am thinking that Cass Review seemed to take a very very long time but when it came it was very well considered and irrefutable (well at least if relying on logic/facts/evidence). So hoping the same is true for this?

Cass Review involved transparent methods and processes, had a blog, published an interim report, releases updates on timelines and various other items that I can't recall at present. It feels different.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2024 14:54

I would be surprised if Mermaids could survive a six year investigation.

I think 4 years is getting to the end of the line.

RedToothBrush · 23/10/2024 14:52

PriOn1 · 23/10/2024 07:55

I bloody well hope not. They’ll be waiting a long time.

Have you seen their finances?

They are in massive trouble.

Retiredfromthere · 23/10/2024 13:55

I am thinking that Cass Review seemed to take a very very long time but when it came it was very well considered and irrefutable (well at least if relying on logic/facts/evidence). So hoping the same is true for this?

pontefractals · 23/10/2024 13:23

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 09:26

'Mermaids’ campaign says the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.

“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.
“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.'

-from the article I posted upthread.

Edited

If it were anyone but Mermaids I'd been astonished that they'd issued a statement talking about the impact on "services, volunteers and staff" without once mentioning the service USERS, but... It's Mermaids, innit?
I suppose they'll say we are meant to see "services" as a proxy for that, but I think it's telling.

RoyalCorgi · 23/10/2024 11:32

Possible reasons:

  1. It's genuinely taking a long time because it's complicated, they're uncovering a lot of stuff they weren't prepared for, or they've only allocated one staff member half a day a week to work on it.
  2. They've uncovered some nasty stuff, and are absolutely terrified of the backlash if they find against Mermaids, so they're hoping everyone forgets about it and/or the charity goes under in the meantime.
  3. There's a bitter war going on in the CC between hardline trans activists who think Mermaids is wonderful and people who still retain some sense, and so the findings are stalled while they try and resolve this.

There may be other explanations that I haven't thought of.

Bannedontherun · 23/10/2024 10:26

The police will probably involved as well.

BonfireLady · 23/10/2024 09:38

VioletCrawleyForever · 23/10/2024 09:14

These things just take a really, really, really long time.

There are so many legal stages you wouldn't believe it.

That is a good point. Hopefully it's just weaving its course as expected. But I do share the scepticism and concern of PPs above about activism from self-interested parties.

As an indication of timelines, I had a look at another high profile case (that's in the headlines again now because another former charity staff member has won the right to carry on with a legal battle to try and clear people's names, following the death of the CEO).

Here's an extract from a Guardian article (my bold):

In a statement it said: “After an investigation lasting over six years, the Charity Commission has not found anything that would warrant bringing regulatory action against anyone involved with Kids Company..."

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/10/kids-company-criticised-for-failures-by-watchdog-year-after-exoneration

Kids Company criticised for failures by watchdog year after exoneration

Charity Commission finds ‘mismanagement in administration’ and ‘high-risk business model’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/feb/10/kids-company-criticised-for-failures-by-watchdog-year-after-exoneration

scandina · 23/10/2024 09:31

I've been worrying about this too. If all is well (which I know it is not) then get the report out so it can be scrutinised. If all not well then shut the bloody place down before it does even more damage.

They must not be allowed to cover anything up. There has to be a way of unearthing what they have found.

I wonder if a good journalist could be persuaded to take this up, Julie Bindel? Janice T?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 23/10/2024 09:30

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 09:26

'Mermaids’ campaign says the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.

“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.
“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.'

-from the article I posted upthread.

Edited

Oh dear, how sad, what a shame.

Thelnebriati · 23/10/2024 09:27

When they say 'backlash', do they mean 'consequences'?

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 09:26

'Mermaids’ campaign says the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.

“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.the Charity Commission’s statutory inquiry into the organisation, which began at the end of 2022, is “significantly impacting our services, staff and volunteer wellbeing, our reputation, and our finances”.
“Securing funding is increasingly difficult, and corporate partners are hesitant to work with us due to potential backlash,” it says.'

-from the article I posted upthread.

VioletCrawleyForever · 23/10/2024 09:14

These things just take a really, really, really long time.

There are so many legal stages you wouldn't believe it.

Datun · 23/10/2024 09:12

HerGorgeousMajestyArabellaScott · 23/10/2024 07:31

My assumption is that they are waiting for Mermaids to jump, rather than pushing them.

That's what I thought. Just stringing it out in the hope Mermaids solve the problem themselves by folding. Haven't mermaids come out and asked them to hurry up, because their funding is drying up as a result of the uncertainty?

I can't see them doing that if they knew they were under investigation for something even worse.

On the other hand, how bloody cowardly is that? There would have to be questions asked about why it took them so long.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 23/10/2024 09:08

PurpleSparkledPixie · 23/10/2024 08:52

I would be starting to think there were one or two TRAs in the Charity Commission who are trying to steer it/water it down, or perhaps those investigating have "trans" children in their own families. We already know that fear for family can skew people's responses. Is there any way to find out who is doing this report?

I also worry about pressure from the self interested. We know how invested so many are from the legal profession, the charity sector, the civil service and politicians including the current government. Prioritising the safety of children often comes a poor second to defending the interests of this "sacred caste" as we repeatedly see.