The Times “Why HRT is safe — but super-high doses might not be”

RethinkingLife thank you very much for the link.
I think it’s a useful article and that it’s fine to write an article about HRT just for women. The effects of high oestrogen on female bodies will be different to the effects on male bodies.

Doesn’t mean that the effects on men shouldn’t be researched, they should. Just that they don’t need to be reported on in the same articles. Also in the interests of accessible language- HRT used by women and Cross sex hormones used by men are working to do different things in female and male bodies.

It would get confusing to routinely report on them in the same articles even though in both cases there may be common messages for patients- like that there could be risks to taking high doses.

Sharetoken link

www.thetimes.com/article/aa5fe868-8f04-475e-843a-ffbaf88ca39b?shareToken=470ecfc56ddc00450e3e2220622a1aa

I think it's fine that it's a piece focussing on women!

The 'curious' thing is perhaps that we don't hear moaning about lack of 'inclusion' from transactivists when it's something like hormone treatments where the outcomes may not be good.

But surely the article could focus on all patient groups receiving HRT, if it’s about medical risks to human bodies. It doesn’t need to focus on one group to the exclusion of another. In fact it would be better if all groups who might take HRT - for whatever reason - had evidence-based, ideologically-uninformed information about the particular risks to their particular bodies posed by hormone therapy.

ETA: I haven’t read the article. But I absolutely agree with a PP that menopause specialists should speak to the risks to menopausal women, and specialists in cross sex hormones should speak to risks to those patient populations. Nobody benefits from one-size-fits-all medical advice, or advice that doesn’t consider their particular biological circumstances.

That's a good article. Dr Kaye's specific expertise is in the menopause. The menopause is something that most women, and only women, will experience. I'm glad she hasn't squandered any of her word count on commenting, possibly outside of her expertise, on the much more niche subject of the use and misuse of cross sex hormones in trans identified people. This article is just for women. Please don't begrudge it to us.

I like to think that those who make a living from providing trans identified adults with cross sex hormones are keeping detailed information which will allow the development of robust evidence-based advice on safety and dosage in the future.

Fuck. That is very sad.

@Helleofabore the OP was being sectioned and was concerned about not being able to take their unprescribed oestrogen so the poster recommended taking a massive dose before going in.

Archived version: https://archive.is/N36yR

Wallace, why? What does that amount of estrogen deliver in permanent changes? Surely they wouldn’t also think that long term that would be healthy.

If the article had focused on trans people I think posters would be complaining that the focus was solely on them.
It's very rare that menopausal women get a look in. I think the focus of this article is a good thing.

On another forum a poster is advising a transwoman to take 10x their regular dose of oestrogen. The reason? Pregnant women get a huge increase in oestrogen during pregnancy which show the body can handle it!

Yes, yes, a male body is exactly the same as a pregnant female body. Honestly, they really don't help themselves.

Does anyone have a share token?

it would be transphobic to mention the health risks associated with this, obviously! 🤣

I can't see the article but it sounds crazy - surely 'super high' would actually be a lower dose if its a cross sex hormone?