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Kamala Harris has a problem with men. Will misogyny cost her the election?

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IwantToRetire · 21/10/2024 18:01

There was an earlier thread about whether the Democrats would support a WOC candidate https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5124648-will-us-democrats-support-a-woc-as-their-candidate-or-will-they-by-pass-kamala-harris

And I think there were some later about her policies, but then maybe there weren't. https://kamalaharris.com/issues/

But was depressed to see this article Kamala Harris has a problem with men. Will misogyny cost her the election?
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/20/kamala-harris-has-a-problem-with-men-will-misogyny-cost-her-the-election
(Should have been men have a problem, not making out she is the problem.)

Polls reflect this age-old dichotomy. Men are more likely to back Trump; women lean towards Harris. A recent New York Times-Siena poll put her 16 points ahead of Trump among female voters. NBC gave her a 14-point lead with women. Trump leads by up to 16 points among men.

Harris’s gender may be tacitly affecting or reinforcing attitudes in other voter categories. In the New York Times poll, 60% of white college-educated voters backed Harris, while 63% of white non-college-educated voters backed Trump. Likewise, Trump, who is white, has a significant advantage among white people while Harris, who identifies as black and Asian, leads among non-whites. Yet voters in two other key categories, blacks and Hispanics, are less supportive of Harris than of Biden in 2020, surveys show – a decline partly driven by younger, non-college-educated Hispanic males. Speaking in pivotal Pennsylvania, Barack Obama angrily castigated his black “brothers” for finding “all kinds of excuses” not to support a woman.

Its just really depressing to think this is the basis on which the decision about the next US President is taken. Because like it or not what the US does or doesn't do impacts on the rest of us.

Even though they are now talking about Trump's mental capacity Trump’s Unwieldy Speeches Raise Questions About His Mental Acuity https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2024/10/16/trumps-unwieldy-speeches-raise-questions-about-his-mental-acuity/ it doesn't seem likely it will change the minds of his supporters. And is already clear he doesn't feel the need to abide by accepted norms in terms of procedures.

Divisive politics in the UK seems to have lead to an apathy, disengagement (low turn out at GE) but it seems, if news channels are to be believed, that in the US the devisions are making people more active engaged. More oppositional

Or rather men not caring about women's issues, or even trusting a woman to be President.

Kamala Harris has a problem with men. Will misogyny cost her the election? | Simon Tisdall

After a rousing start to her campaign, the Democratic candidate is flatlining in the polls, and sexism could swing the vote in Donald Trump’s favour

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/20/kamala-harris-has-a-problem-with-men-will-misogyny-cost-her-the-election

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Zahariel · 21/10/2024 19:12

Hoardasurass · 21/10/2024 18:52

The problem is that Harris is one of the biggest proponents of identity politics and is a complete shit show of a politician.
If the Democrats (party) had chosen Michelle Obama to run against Trump as many Democrats (voters) wanted then I strongly believe that things would be very different. Instead we have a woman who has admitted that she got her start as a politician by having sex with her boss, she's incapable of stringing a cogent adhock sentence together.

i’d agree in large part, that anyone can run against trump and loose, as looks increasingly likely, says way more about them than it does about Trump.

EasternEcho · 21/10/2024 19:01

Hoardasurass · 21/10/2024 18:52

The problem is that Harris is one of the biggest proponents of identity politics and is a complete shit show of a politician.
If the Democrats (party) had chosen Michelle Obama to run against Trump as many Democrats (voters) wanted then I strongly believe that things would be very different. Instead we have a woman who has admitted that she got her start as a politician by having sex with her boss, she's incapable of stringing a cogent adhock sentence together.

Michelle Obama didn't want to run for office. That's her choice, not the voters' or the Democrats. Can you give an example of Harris not being able to string a cogent sentence? Also, would like a link to the source where she says she had sex with her boss to get into politics.

IwantToRetire · 21/10/2024 18:57

napody · 21/10/2024 18:38

That's a really misleading headline with the phrase 'having a problem with' meaming what it does in the UK. It makes it sound as if Harris is a misandrist. It's MEN that have a problem with HER.

I know - and did point this out in OP.

But this type of language coming from the media only re-inforces the stereotypes.

So wonder whether the UK coverage on the US electioneering is in fact the problem

That the UK loves reporting in this way.

Is it real, or does the media push the groupings because they are too lazy to do more subtle informed coverage.

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Zahariel · 21/10/2024 18:35

The most depressing part of everything above is putting people into little, regressive boxes that does nothing to unite us as humans and everything to divide us. White, black, WOC (what the fuck) college educated, right left - it’s all bullshit tribalism, and arrogant of our hardwired social structures from 5,000 years ago being written into a world with 9 billion people and smart phones.

The problem is that Harris is one of the biggest proponents of identity politics and is a complete shit show of a politician.
If the Democrats (party) had chosen Michelle Obama to run against Trump as many Democrats (voters) wanted then I strongly believe that things would be very different. Instead we have a woman who has admitted that she got her start as a politician by having sex with her boss, she's incapable of stringing a cogent adhock sentence together.

napody · 21/10/2024 18:38

That's a really misleading headline with the phrase 'having a problem with' meaming what it does in the UK. It makes it sound as if Harris is a misandrist. It's MEN that have a problem with HER.

Zahariel · 21/10/2024 18:35

The most depressing part of everything above is putting people into little, regressive boxes that does nothing to unite us as humans and everything to divide us. White, black, WOC (what the fuck) college educated, right left - it’s all bullshit tribalism, and arrogant of our hardwired social structures from 5,000 years ago being written into a world with 9 billion people and smart phones.