Only in fucking Scotland

I think this is useful, in a way, it will be the beginning of the end. If we just allowed people to identify as male/female - then you do have the arguments over whether you divide by sex or gender identity, for things like sports and toilets. If you have 24 gender identities - it's much easier to justify separating by sex and treating gender identity as a type of belief.

At both my DCs school and a sports club DD attends which is full of gender ID, it's the people who try to get you to use Xi/Xen pronouns or It/It's that tip people over the edge into thinking it's nonsense.

The argument goes: TW want to use women's spaces... we should let them, NBs need their own spaces too... I can kind of see that, there should be gender neutral, but... but... are you then mixing male and female NBs? what do we do about gender fluid, do they get to choose day to day? What about a femme presenting transman? What are you going to do about demi-gender? etc. Everyone I've seen, even those who are very TWAW at the start, has a breaking point where they don't think it is on them to be accommodating this stuff. The totally out-there genders are showing that it isn't a choice between trans rights and women's rights, so much as people having different levels of what they are willing to sacrifice. This is a much better starting point for discussion and expressing that you don't feel women should be sacrificing anything.

I don't think any political party (even Scottish Greens) would try to suggest that small businesses should provide 24 types of toilets on site or that sports clubs need to learn to coach and field this many variety of team. The interesting thing will be to see if the TW and TM side with all the other genders or can see the harm it does them.

Masculine doesn't mean 'man' and feminine doesn't mean 'woman'. Conflating those is partly how we got into this 'what a woman really is' nonsense.

No-one on here feel like they're agender? According to one authority, that means " a term for individuals who are genderless or who reject gender identification completely".

In a transy sort of way, obviously, not a sex-realist one... right?

I identify as a cross between Moo Deng and a portion of a half-baked bread roll and I will not be reasoned with otherwise! Where's my option!?!

No, I get it representation is needed and all that but ffs who comes up with these terms.

That just sounds like a way to say autistic people are not being duped into believing in gender woo.
Effing duplicitous bullshit IMO

Almost 5000 genders according to pp and whatever pronouns might apply. What a waste of brain space.

OTOH if genderwoo is some sort of job creation scheme for governments it massages their employment stats.

Thank you!
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(For fucks sake).

I prefer to think of myself as effervescent.

Even if one believes wholeheartedly in gender ideology, this list is useless for information-gathering purposes, isn't it? We have actual laws about this, so why not let them guide the questions?

Say:

What is your legal sex? m/f

Do you have a GRC? y/n

Do you consider yourself to have the protected characteristic of gender reassignment? y/n

If you do not have a GRC, but the previous answer was yes, please explain why in the free text box.

(Would need carefully worded footnotes.)

Did the statistician create this list with the help and guidance of Maggie PersonPerson I wonder?

I mean, I wouldn't put anything past the Scottish government now. I feel like we need to list all the batshit things they've done just to really hammer home how far down the rabbit hole they have gone.

I will start:-

Created a hate crime bill that makes everyone hurty feelings a top priority whilst missing out sexism or misogyny meaning women are only people who can't report a hate crime committed against them (when women are most likely to be victims).

Making the hate crime reporting anonymous and based on no evidence.

Allowing a Glasgow sex shop to be one of the places to report said hate crime.

Pouring hundreds of thousands of pounds of public money into supporting LGBT youth Scotland who have not one but two convicted paedophiles now in prison, one who was the CEO of the entire charity (with a lot of influence) and the other who wrote a guide book on how to go no contact with parents. Also, continuing to give them money despite no investigation into this charity and now there's more rumours of abuse and they are being sued. Tumbleweed from our Scottish government.

Two Scottish government ministers posing beside a sign calling for terfs (mainly women) and to be decapitated. No repercussions for those two. And now apparently there are allegations that the batshit sign holder is actually a convicted murderer and rapist

The whole absolute shite show of what happened at Edinburgh rape crisis, thanks to lots of Scottish government support.

The missing SNP money. The campervan. The ongoing investigation.

Police Scotland and all their nonsense, as helped and encouraged by Scottish government.

The fragrant Tiffany Scott (now deceased) and all those other violent, sexually abusive men in female jails thanks to government policy and SPS. Tiffany in particular was a man so violent even male prison officers were not happy having to be near him.

Confusing children so much in Scottish schools (thanks again to LGBTYS for this, amongst others) that one wee soul now identifies as a wolf. Because if the government is telling all children they can do the impossible and change sex simply by changing clothes then why not put on a tail and some ears and become a wolf?! Makes sense (sarcasm).

Anyone who says now hang on a minute here is called a hateful, bigoted, transphobic evil terf, racist etc etc (thanks big Nicola, appreciate the slurs).

That's me for now there's much more but I'm on a rage rant and I think I'll explode if I type any more in. Gah.

This a 100 times

Utter navel-gazing shite.

Are they rolling in so much money that they can afford to waste in such ridiculous shite?

I've just realised how traditionally Scottish this is!!!!!! In a new way, history is repeating itself. Imagine.....

Census 1851, Scotland.
Are you:

Church of Scotland
Free Presbyterian Church of Scotland
United Free Church
Methodist
Episcopalian
Original Secession Kirk
Auld Licht Anti-Burgher
New Licht Anti-Burgher
Auld Licht Burgher
New Licht Burgher
The other Seccession Kirk
Cameronian
Covenanter
Free Love Tulip Calvinist
...

The other church we don't mention

Embarrassing. I can’t bear to look at the list 🙈 Waiting for Chris Tarrant to pop up at any moment to tell people in Scotland that this is all just an elaborate nightmarish prank.

And yet, why does any of this information need to be collected? Humans are either male or female. There are no other sexes and why does gender identity actually matter?

Spaces should be single sex. Employment roles need to be balanced by sex and may have sexed based exceptions under the EA. Collecting gender identity is only useful if you collect everybody’s and there are at least 130, so this exercise by this department is meaningless.

Maybe you can froth about others pointing out how this is reducing options to this list some more. But the reality is your own frothing seems to have been based on your own philosophical belief that a gender identity is important for society to record officially.

Maybe you could explain why it is important to general society while you are here frothing about an article? You might be the first if you could make a coherent argument.

*JellySaurus
"Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
"Neither. I'm atheist."
"But are you Catholic atheist or Protestant atheist?"

This is exactly what it feels like to be offered 2 binary choices, neither of which fits.*

In categorising belief, binary choices are indeed pointless and bigoted. This so-called 'data collection' is useless and offensive. It collects no useful data. It lumps together beliefs, practices, situations, and treats them all as one data point.

But I suspect that you have completely missed my point, and your objection to a binary choice is more along the lines of:

"Are you female or male?"
"Neither. I'm BigEndian."

If the question really needs to be asked, why not
sex - male / female
Do you have a gender identity Y/n
If yes (blank box or whatever collection from the hundreds of tick boxes are preferred).
If no, next question and those of us who don’t subscribe can at least be included.
I will not answer anything that assumes I identify as a gender, or I tick the prefer not to say, if there is one, or use a comment box.

Bergamotte · Today 06:57

+ + It should be Bigendian and Littleendian, of course.+ +

$ $ What has Motorola computing forms for SegY format got to do with gender woo? $ $

They came from Jonathan Swift's satire:

Oh, thanks, I haven't read that one. It does also pertain to the much later example I gave, in seismic processing.

I believe these are flavours of non-binary. Flavours which require cross-sex hormone medical intervention.

Thanks for the link.

'The list of 24 genders was added last week to formal guidance first issued to public bodies in 2021 about how information on sex and gender should be recorded and published.
The guidance says that those in surveys who say that they are transgender or have a “trans history” should then be asked to describe their status in their own words.
Public bodies are then advised to categorise their response as one of the possible gender identity options.'

So not just 'how people may identify', it's how the gov are supposed to categorise people with a trans identity.

Pointless waste of time and money.

'Froth' often goes with 'spew' and 'screech' and 'shrill'.

Yes. While some people may find their inner affiliation or rejection of stereotypes associated with their sex important and fascinating, it's not going to have any bearing on the data we need to function as a society.

Whaddabout Demi Moore?

They came from Jonathan Swift's satire:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilliput_and_Blefuscu#History_and_politics

Male/female fits all mammals on this planet. No special labels needed.